[Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with, IB tells Centre - Sentinel

[Chan Mahanta]

 >India, Bdesh, Pak. all in one federation? Wow! That would indeed mean
 >Utopia, if ever one existed.


*** Words! How wonderful they are :-).

UTOPIA?  But why Utopia? How about something less than that?  Is it
desirable? Is anything less than Utopia acceptable?


 > It was basically, Md. Ali Jinnah and others
>
> who wanted the separation by any means.

*** And, pray, WHY did they want that?  Was there a reason perhaps :-)?
Were their fears unfounded? Was there no history to base those fears on?
Revisionist history is alive and well!


BUT,  working in a federation does not mean merging.  These nations have
a legitimate reason to live independently. Just as Assam does.  But  
they CAN
live in peace, as good neighbors.

Germany, France, Poland, Italy, Turkey, England, Holland . They were  
enemies
in our life-times.  China vs US vs Vietnam --- they too were enemies.   
Things do change.
We are in no Utopia, but look at China and the US, wrapped together in  
commerce, with
no escape ! Is it bad? Should it be derided? OK, perhaps it should be  
derided. The
wing-nuts do in the US.  Why should there be no desi wing-nuts :-)?


 >Whether or not illegal B'deshis can or cannot be identified, these  
are still
> separate countries, and any joint Fed, kumbayas, fuzzy-feelin, still  
> will
> not justify such a move.

*** Brilliant :-)!

 >On a side note, the ULFA (and others) who have been born & bred in  
India,
>
> are demanding a separate 'Nation' for Assam. And if they want to  
> separate,
> why are we looking for these other countries to join India?

*** You are letting your guard down Ram . We can see it all :-).





On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

> Well said JS.
>
> India, Bdesh, Pak. all in one federation? Wow! That would indeed mean
> Utopia, if ever one existed.
>
> Just to add, before Pakistan & India were separated, most (now on  
> the Indian
> side) did NOT want a separation. It was basically, Md. Ali Jinnah  
> and others
> who wanted the separation by any means.
>
> Today, even if a majority of Indians wanted to be one big happy  
> family,
> there is so much hatred (for India, US etc) in Pakistan, that there' a
> snowball's chance in hell for Pakis ever wanting to team up with India
> (well, only, maybe, as conquerors).
>
> Whether or not illegal B'deshis can or cannot be identified, these  
> are still
> separate countries, and any joint Fed, kumbayas, fuzzy-feelin, still  
> will
> not justify such a move.
>
> On a side note, the ULFA (and others) who have been born & bred in  
> India,
> are demanding a separate 'Nation' for Assam. And if they want to  
> separate,
> why are we looking for these other countries to join India?
>
> -- Ram da
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Jyotirmoy Sharma <
> jyotirmoy.sharma at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> God bless India and Indians if India, Pak and Bangladesh form a
>> federation. I thought the countries split because we could no longer
>> live together. Let's face the reality. We are better off as we are.
>> India is a developing country and is marching ahead inspite of all
>> it's problems. India is one of the most unique country in the world.
>> When western countries preach about values like democracy,  
>> equality, I
>> think .. would they ever allow someone from a religious minority  
>> group
>> to occupy the most powerful post in the country? It hasn't yet taken
>> place and I doubt it will. Netters can correct me. Even Barak Obama
>> had to hide his middle name during the campaign, although he has
>> converted to Chritianity.
>>
>> While Bangladesh, under the current regime ( and even Sri Lanka )
>> seems to be taking a strong resolve to root out terrorism, Pakistan  
>> is
>> a failed state. Under no circumstance would they( meaning Pak govt )
>> give up the idea of Kashmir. Infact no one can form a govt in Pak
>> without having Kashmir in its agenda( It's a truth which  most
>> Pakistanis will acknowledge. It's a different matter that most
>> educated  everyday Pakistani citizens wouldn't be too worried about
>> what happening in Indian Kashmir ). That is precisely the problem  
>> with
>> Pakistan. Rather than worrying about improving their own country ,
>> their policies are India centric.
>> Now I read of ISI's direct involvement in 26/11( David Headley's
>> confession .. I am sure some netters will even negate the validity of
>> such confession )
>> How many more Kasabs, Afzal Gurus does India want? We keep  
>> extending a
>> friendly hand and everytime there is a kick in our butt. No wonder,
>> India is taken for a ride by all.
>> JS
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka
>> <dilipdeka at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Netters,
>>> Remember India, Bangladesh and Pakistan used to be one country   
>>> before
>> the artificial borders were drawn. These borders did not draw lines  
>> around
>> and change people's language, literature and culture overnight. So  
>> how can
>> you distinguish someone from Bangladesh in the middle of similar  
>> people in
>> India? Thus they are not detectable or deportable. Get used to it,  
>> I have
>> been saying it for years - migration across artificial borders will  
>> keep
>> happening, and you and I cannot do anything about it. Not even  
>> mighty :-)
>> GOI cn solve this problem.
>>>
>>> Only solution is a new federation of the three countries so that  
>>> people
>> can freely move across the borders in the pursuit of livelihood and
>> business, in stead of pursuing religious or political ideology. I  
>> know
>> it sounds like  wishful thinking but it is possible if the social  
>> leaders
>> put their minds to it.
>>>
>>> What's your take on it?
>>> Dilip
>>> Houston
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the  
>>> world <
>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 9:17:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with,  
>>> IB tells
>> Centre - Sentinel
>>>
>>> Those are very clever comments no doubt!
>>>
>>> What is not-so-clever, however, is the fact that the 'democratically
>> elected'
>>> desi-govt/s. have neither been able to find or deport them. So  
>>> what do
>> our
>>> desi-demokrasy enthusiasts say about that? Is there a problem here  
>>> with
>>> desi-sorkar, one that the clever netters so glibly put their trust  
>>> on, or
>> is it a
>>> problem with Uttam or is it a problem with the glib ones here ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>
>>>> KJD,
>>>>
>>>> I am a little intrigued that there is quite possibly this notion  
>>>> out
>> there
>>>> that there are NO illegal B'deshis in Assam,
>>>> and that all this is a political ploy of some kind. Though, I  
>>>> haven't
>> met
>>>> any illegal (or Undocumented - in PC speak) B'deshis, we keep  
>>>> reading
>> and
>>>> hearing about vast numbers of B'deshis coming into Assam/NE, and  
>>>> even as
>> far
>>>> as Delhi, W. Bengal etc.
>>>>
>>>> The previous BD PM categorically stated there are none, and one  
>>>> time the
>>>> Assam Govt. was able to identify 6 or 7 B'deshis for deportation.
>>>> Heck, and if sections of people also believe that there are none, I
>> guess
>>>> there are no illegal B'deshis in Assam.
>>>>
>>>> The other thing about North Indians grabbing land in Assam is  
>>>> something
>> very
>>>> new. I have never heard about this (not that it matters) and  
>>>> something
>> even
>>>> close to it. If these are 'criminal' acts, then it quite possibly
>> pervasive
>>>> in other parts of India, and just making inroads into Assam.
>>>>
>>>> --Ram
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:18 PM, kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I  
>>>>>>>> will
>> have to
>>>>> make it point to meet one :-).<<<
>>>>>
>>>>> RS,
>>>>> I am sure,there must be plenty of merry andrews in Assam as well  
>>>>> as in
>>>>> the Net.However,in terms of buffoonery,he or she will not be  
>>>>> able to
>>>>> match the one,who expects an illegal Bangladeshis to put on a ID  
>>>>> tag
>>>>> hanging around his neck with the purpose of divulging his  
>>>>> nationality
>>>>> :-)
>>>>> KJD
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com 
>>>>> >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Uttam,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me the  
>>>>>>> events
>> are
>>>>> all
>>>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the future:  
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> sort
>>>>>> of: -).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree there is value in viewing issues in this manner.  
>>>>>> However, some
>>>>>> issues (like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or similar ones)  
>>>>>> there
>> is
>>>>>> absolutely no end. The time line can be shifted at will, and  
>>>>>> how one
>>>>> wishes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is why, it is often a good idea to compartmentalize  
>>>>>> issues. One
>> has
>>>>> to
>>>>>> start at some base line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal Bangladeshi
>>>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I  
>>>>>> will have
>> to
>>>>>> make it point to meet one :-).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, there is the other possibility, since you have met one,  
>>>>>> and I
>>>>> haven't
>>>>>> either, then we can both be sure there aren't any illegal  
>>>>>> B'deshis in
>>>>> Assam.
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart City  
>>>>>>> have
>> been
>>>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the  
>>>>>> >cowbelt
>> want
>>>>> a
>>>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to  
>>>>>> build up a
>>>>>> township.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember this. We were at Guwahati around that time. The Dr.  
>>>>>> was in
>>>>>> B'lore, and some miscreants destroyed a big portion of his  
>>>>>> hospital.
>>>>>> So, you claim some Hindiwalls or the like were behind this. And  
>>>>>> this
>>>>> proves
>>>>>> what, Uttam? That these Hindiwallas are out to get us?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no point in merely condemning the armed activity by a  
>>>>>>> small
>>>>>> section of the Assamese. Being irrational, these activities would
>> surely
>>>>>>> give you the opportunity to sneer at them. But that will  
>>>>>>> rather stoke
>> the
>>>>>> fire than to douse it: do not you suggest we adhere to
>>> 'non->violence'?
>>>>> You
>>>>>> got to feel the fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its  
>>>>>> foundation
>> in
>>>>>> hinterland ( some people say colony within a >colony!)  
>>>>>> economics.( you
>>>>> call
>>>>>> it 'victim mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whether I empathize or not hardly matters, the 'Victim mentality'
>> exists
>>>>> &
>>>>>> quite well for that matter. In fact, this is a favorite tool  
>>>>>> used by
>>>>> armed
>>>>>> rebellions all over the world, and maybe even countries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Ram da
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:42 PM, uttam borthakur
>>>>>> <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Ram Da,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me the  
>>>>>>> events
>> are
>>>>> all
>>>>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the  
>>>>>>> future: that
>>>>> sort
>>>>>>> of: -).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since I have to run this time, I just point out a few things  
>>>>>>> for you
>> to
>>>>>>> just ponder: -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal Bangladeshi
>>>>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart City  
>>>>>>> have
>> been
>>>>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the  
>>>>>>> cowbelt
>> want
>>>>> a
>>>>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to  
>>>>>>> build up
>> a
>>>>>>> township. In Chandrapur area, the Oxomiya henchmen of the  
>>>>>>> cowbelt
>>>>> business
>>>>>>> houses are intimidating, killing, demolishing fences, etc.  
>>>>>>> etc. in
>> order
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> devour the land. Local resistance of villagers, who are getting
>>>>> organised in
>>>>>>> the fear of losing homestead, are somewhat delaying the process.
>>>>> Political
>>>>>>> bigwigs , Ministersrunning Assam are in cahoots. Policemen are
>> involved.
>>>>> All
>>>>>>> these are daily news. Recently, I went on a survey. I was  
>>>>>>> aghast to
>>>>> learn
>>>>>>> that annual periodic pattas are given to the settlers; they  
>>>>>>> are now
>>>>> given
>>>>>>> the marching orders after giving them some money and a back  
>>>>>>> dated
>>>>> agreement;
>>>>>>> on the basis of such agreement petty revenue for last fiver  
>>>>>>> years are
>>>>> paid
>>>>>>> in the name of these political bigwigs, ministers, northerners,
>>>>>>> journalists etc. who have occupied huge chunks of beautiful  
>>>>>>> forest,
>>>>> hill
>>>>>>> lands with tremendous sight of the mighty Brahmaputra. If you  
>>>>>>> pay 20
>>>>> times
>>>>>>> or so of the revenue you get a Myadi Patta. For the poor  
>>>>>>> settlers it
>> is
>>>>> a
>>>>>>> huge amount; for the carpetbaggers it is pittance. ( My take  
>>>>>>> on this
>> is
>>>>> :
>>>>>>> all colonial masters need local henchmen / dalals. The rich  
>>>>>>> from the
>>>>> cowbelt
>>>>>>> will always need their paid goons to carry out their dirty  
>>>>>>> works. But
>>>>> 'root
>>>>>>> cause' is the money and greed of the masters: the principal  
>>>>>>> aspect of
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> contradiction:-))
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. For various historical reasons, the processs of Assamese  
>>>>>>> Nation
>>>>>>> formation (in the modern sense; I do not begin with  
>>>>>>> Narakasura:-))
>> has
>>>>> not
>>>>>>> been very sturdy and this inherent weakness has led to knee-jerk
>>>>> reactions
>>>>>>> weakening the process rather than bolstering it. There is no  
>>>>>>> point in
>>>>>>> merely condemning the armed activity by a small section of the
>> Assamese.
>>>>>>> Being irrational, these activities would surely give you the
>> opportunity
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> sneer at them. But that will rather stoke the fire than to  
>>>>>>> douse it:
>> do
>>>>> not
>>>>>>> you suggest we adhere to 'non-violence'? You got to feel the
>>>>>>> fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its foundation in  
>>>>>>> hinterland (
>>>>> some
>>>>>>> people say colony within a colony!) economics.( you call it  
>>>>>>> 'victim
>>>>>>> mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's about it for now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>>>>>>
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