[Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with, IB tells Centre - Sentinel

kamal deka kjit.deka at gmail.com
Thu Jun 10 07:47:00 PDT 2010 

Even the slow-witted would understand that after obliterating
International borders,the other religious groups save Islam,will be
forced to live in a land of circumcision.Is that what we want?
Such devilish machinations,although far-fledged,will always come to
naught.Hence,no point in engaging in a wild goose chase.
KJD



On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well said JS.
>
> India, Bdesh, Pak. all in one federation? Wow! That would indeed mean
> Utopia, if ever one existed.
>
> Just to add, before Pakistan & India were separated, most (now on the Indian
> side) did NOT want a separation. It was basically, Md. Ali Jinnah and others
> who wanted the separation by any means.
>
> Today, even if a majority of Indians wanted to be one big happy family,
> there is so much hatred (for India, US etc) in Pakistan, that there' a
> snowball's chance in hell for Pakis ever wanting to team up with India
> (well, only, maybe, as conquerors).
>
> Whether or not illegal B'deshis can or cannot be identified, these are still
> separate countries, and any joint Fed, kumbayas, fuzzy-feelin, still will
> not justify such a move.
>
> On a side note, the ULFA (and others) who have been born & bred in India,
> are demanding a separate 'Nation' for Assam. And if they want to separate,
> why are we looking for these other countries to join India?
>
> -- Ram da
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Jyotirmoy Sharma <
> jyotirmoy.sharma at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> God bless India and Indians if India, Pak and Bangladesh form a
>> federation. I thought the countries split because we could no longer
>> live together. Let's face the reality. We are better off as we are.
>> India is a developing country and is marching ahead inspite of all
>> it's problems. India is one of the most unique country in the world.
>> When western countries preach about values like democracy, equality, I
>> think .. would they ever allow someone from a religious minority group
>> to occupy the most powerful post in the country? It hasn't yet taken
>> place and I doubt it will. Netters can correct me. Even Barak Obama
>> had to hide his middle name during the campaign, although he has
>> converted to Chritianity.
>>
>> While Bangladesh, under the current regime ( and even Sri Lanka )
>> seems to be taking a strong resolve to root out terrorism, Pakistan is
>> a failed state. Under no circumstance would they( meaning Pak govt )
>> give up the idea of Kashmir. Infact no one can form a govt in Pak
>> without having Kashmir in its agenda( It's a truth which  most
>> Pakistanis will acknowledge. It's a different matter that most
>> educated  everyday Pakistani citizens wouldn't be too worried about
>> what happening in Indian Kashmir ). That is precisely the problem with
>> Pakistan. Rather than worrying about improving their own country ,
>> their policies are India centric.
>> Now I read of ISI's direct involvement in 26/11( David Headley's
>> confession .. I am sure some netters will even negate the validity of
>> such confession )
>> How many more Kasabs, Afzal Gurus does India want? We keep extending a
>> friendly hand and everytime there is a kick in our butt. No wonder,
>> India is taken for a ride by all.
>> JS
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka
>> <dilipdeka at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Netters,
>> > Remember India, Bangladesh and Pakistan used to be one country  before
>> the artificial borders were drawn. These borders did not draw lines around
>> and change people's language, literature and culture overnight. So how can
>> you distinguish someone from Bangladesh in the middle of similar people in
>> India? Thus they are not detectable or deportable. Get used to it, I have
>> been saying it for years - migration across artificial borders will keep
>> happening, and you and I cannot do anything about it. Not even mighty :-)
>> GOI cn solve this problem.
>> >
>> > Only solution is a new federation of the three countries so that people
>> can freely move across the borders in the pursuit of livelihood and
>> business, in stead of pursuing religious or political ideology. I know
>> it sounds like  wishful thinking but it is possible if the social leaders
>> put their minds to it.
>> >
>> > What's your take on it?
>> > Dilip
>> > Houston
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
>> > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world <
>> assam at assamnet.org>
>> > Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 9:17:15 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with, IB tells
>> Centre - Sentinel
>> >
>> > Those are very clever comments no doubt!
>> >
>> > What is not-so-clever, however, is the fact that the 'democratically
>> elected'
>> > desi-govt/s. have neither been able to find or deport them. So what do
>> our
>> > desi-demokrasy enthusiasts say about that? Is there a problem here with
>> > desi-sorkar, one that the clever netters so glibly put their trust on, or
>> is it a
>> > problem with Uttam or is it a problem with the glib ones here ?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>> >
>> >> KJD,
>> >>
>> >> I am a little intrigued that there is quite possibly this notion out
>> there
>> >> that there are NO illegal B'deshis in Assam,
>> >> and that all this is a political ploy of some kind. Though, I haven't
>> met
>> >> any illegal (or Undocumented - in PC speak) B'deshis, we keep reading
>> and
>> >> hearing about vast numbers of B'deshis coming into Assam/NE, and even as
>> far
>> >> as Delhi, W. Bengal etc.
>> >>
>> >> The previous BD PM categorically stated there are none, and one time the
>> >> Assam Govt. was able to identify 6 or 7 B'deshis for deportation.
>> >> Heck, and if sections of people also believe that there are none, I
>> guess
>> >> there are no illegal B'deshis in Assam.
>> >>
>> >> The other thing about North Indians grabbing land in Assam is something
>> very
>> >> new. I have never heard about this (not that it matters) and something
>> even
>> >> close to it. If these are 'criminal' acts, then it quite possibly
>> pervasive
>> >> in other parts of India, and just making inroads into Assam.
>> >>
>> >> --Ram
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:18 PM, kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I will
>> have to
>> >>> make it point to meet one :-).<<<
>> >>>
>> >>> RS,
>> >>> I am sure,there must be plenty of merry andrews in Assam as well as in
>> >>> the Net.However,in terms of buffoonery,he or she will not be able to
>> >>> match the one,who expects an illegal Bangladeshis to put on a ID tag
>> >>> hanging around his neck with the purpose of divulging his nationality
>> >>> :-)
>> >>> KJD
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> Dear Uttam,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me the events
>> are
>> >>> all
>> >>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the future: that
>> >>>> sort
>> >>>> of: -).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I agree there is value in viewing issues in this manner. However, some
>> >>>> issues (like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or similar ones) there
>> is
>> >>>> absolutely no end. The time line can be shifted at will, and how one
>> >>> wishes.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That is why, it is often a good idea to compartmentalize issues. One
>> has
>> >>> to
>> >>>> start at some base line.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal Bangladeshi
>> >>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I will have
>> to
>> >>>> make it point to meet one :-).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But, there is the other possibility, since you have met one, and I
>> >>> haven't
>> >>>> either, then we can both be sure there aren't any illegal B'deshis in
>> >>> Assam.
>> >>>> :-)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart City have
>> been
>> >>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the >cowbelt
>> want
>> >>> a
>> >>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to build up a
>> >>>> township.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I remember this. We were at Guwahati around that time. The Dr. was in
>> >>>> B'lore, and some miscreants destroyed a big portion of his hospital.
>> >>>> So, you claim some Hindiwalls or the like were behind this. And this
>> >>> proves
>> >>>> what, Uttam? That these Hindiwallas are out to get us?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> There is no point in merely condemning the armed activity by a small
>> >>>> section of the Assamese. Being irrational, these activities would
>> surely
>> >>>>> give you the opportunity to sneer at them. But that will rather stoke
>> the
>> >>>> fire than to douse it: do not you suggest we adhere to
>> >'non->violence'?
>> >>> You
>> >>>> got to feel the fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its foundation
>> in
>> >>>> hinterland ( some people say colony within a >colony!) economics.( you
>> >>> call
>> >>>> it 'victim mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Whether I empathize or not hardly matters, the 'Victim mentality'
>> exists
>> >>> &
>> >>>> quite well for that matter. In fact, this is a favorite tool used by
>> >>> armed
>> >>>> rebellions all over the world, and maybe even countries.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --Ram da
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:42 PM, uttam borthakur
>> >>>> <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Dear Ram Da,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me the events
>> are
>> >>> all
>> >>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the future: that
>> >>> sort
>> >>>>> of: -).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Since I have to run this time, I just point out a few things for you
>> to
>> >>>>> just ponder: -
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal Bangladeshi
>> >>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart City have
>> been
>> >>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the cowbelt
>> want
>> >>> a
>> >>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to build up
>> a
>> >>>>> township. In Chandrapur area, the Oxomiya henchmen of the cowbelt
>> >>> business
>> >>>>> houses are intimidating, killing, demolishing fences, etc. etc. in
>> order
>> >>> to
>> >>>>> devour the land. Local resistance of villagers, who are getting
>> >>> organised in
>> >>>>> the fear of losing homestead, are somewhat delaying the process.
>> >>> Political
>> >>>>> bigwigs , Ministersrunning Assam are in cahoots. Policemen are
>> involved.
>> >>> All
>> >>>>> these are daily news. Recently, I went on a survey. I was aghast to
>> >>> learn
>> >>>>> that annual periodic pattas are given to the settlers; they are now
>> >>> given
>> >>>>> the marching orders after giving them some money and a back dated
>> >>> agreement;
>> >>>>> on the basis of such agreement petty revenue for last fiver years are
>> >>> paid
>> >>>>> in the name of these political bigwigs, ministers, northerners,
>> >>>>> journalists etc. who have occupied huge chunks of beautiful forest,
>> >>> hill
>> >>>>> lands with tremendous sight of the mighty Brahmaputra. If you pay 20
>> >>> times
>> >>>>> or so of the revenue you get a Myadi Patta. For the poor settlers it
>> is
>> >>> a
>> >>>>> huge amount; for the carpetbaggers it is pittance. ( My take on this
>> is
>> >>> :
>> >>>>> all colonial masters need local henchmen / dalals. The rich from the
>> >>> cowbelt
>> >>>>> will always need their paid goons to carry out their dirty works. But
>> >>> 'root
>> >>>>> cause' is the money and greed of the masters: the principal aspect of
>> >>> the
>> >>>>> contradiction:-))
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 3. For various historical reasons, the processs of Assamese Nation
>> >>>>> formation (in the modern sense; I do not begin with Narakasura:-))
>> has
>> >>> not
>> >>>>> been very sturdy and this inherent weakness has led to knee-jerk
>> >>> reactions
>> >>>>> weakening the process rather than bolstering it. There is no point in
>> >>>>> merely condemning the armed activity by a small section of the
>> Assamese.
>> >>>>> Being irrational, these activities would surely give you the
>> opportunity
>> >>> to
>> >>>>> sneer at them. But that will rather stoke the fire than to douse it:
>> do
>> >>> not
>> >>>>> you suggest we adhere to 'non-violence'? You got to feel the
>> >>>>> fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its foundation in hinterland (
>> >>> some
>> >>>>> people say colony within a colony!) economics.( you call it 'victim
>> >>>>> mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> That's about it for now.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>> >>>>>
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