[Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with, IB tells Centre - Sentinel
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at gmail.com
Thu Jun 10 07:51:16 PDT 2010
**** I love the fast-morphing of the issue to 'katwa-fear' :-).
On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:47 AM, kamal deka wrote:
> Even the slow-witted would understand that after obliterating
> International borders,the other religious groups save Islam,will be
> forced to live in a land of circumcision.Is that what we want?
> Such devilish machinations,although far-fledged,will always come to
> naught.Hence,no point in engaging in a wild goose chase.
> KJD
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Well said JS.
>>
>> India, Bdesh, Pak. all in one federation? Wow! That would indeed mean
>> Utopia, if ever one existed.
>>
>> Just to add, before Pakistan & India were separated, most (now on
>> the Indian
>> side) did NOT want a separation. It was basically, Md. Ali Jinnah
>> and others
>> who wanted the separation by any means.
>>
>> Today, even if a majority of Indians wanted to be one big happy
>> family,
>> there is so much hatred (for India, US etc) in Pakistan, that
>> there' a
>> snowball's chance in hell for Pakis ever wanting to team up with
>> India
>> (well, only, maybe, as conquerors).
>>
>> Whether or not illegal B'deshis can or cannot be identified, these
>> are still
>> separate countries, and any joint Fed, kumbayas, fuzzy-feelin,
>> still will
>> not justify such a move.
>>
>> On a side note, the ULFA (and others) who have been born & bred in
>> India,
>> are demanding a separate 'Nation' for Assam. And if they want to
>> separate,
>> why are we looking for these other countries to join India?
>>
>> -- Ram da
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Jyotirmoy Sharma <
>> jyotirmoy.sharma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> God bless India and Indians if India, Pak and Bangladesh form a
>>> federation. I thought the countries split because we could no longer
>>> live together. Let's face the reality. We are better off as we are.
>>> India is a developing country and is marching ahead inspite of all
>>> it's problems. India is one of the most unique country in the world.
>>> When western countries preach about values like democracy,
>>> equality, I
>>> think .. would they ever allow someone from a religious minority
>>> group
>>> to occupy the most powerful post in the country? It hasn't yet taken
>>> place and I doubt it will. Netters can correct me. Even Barak Obama
>>> had to hide his middle name during the campaign, although he has
>>> converted to Chritianity.
>>>
>>> While Bangladesh, under the current regime ( and even Sri Lanka )
>>> seems to be taking a strong resolve to root out terrorism,
>>> Pakistan is
>>> a failed state. Under no circumstance would they( meaning Pak govt )
>>> give up the idea of Kashmir. Infact no one can form a govt in Pak
>>> without having Kashmir in its agenda( It's a truth which most
>>> Pakistanis will acknowledge. It's a different matter that most
>>> educated everyday Pakistani citizens wouldn't be too worried about
>>> what happening in Indian Kashmir ). That is precisely the problem
>>> with
>>> Pakistan. Rather than worrying about improving their own country ,
>>> their policies are India centric.
>>> Now I read of ISI's direct involvement in 26/11( David Headley's
>>> confession .. I am sure some netters will even negate the validity
>>> of
>>> such confession )
>>> How many more Kasabs, Afzal Gurus does India want? We keep
>>> extending a
>>> friendly hand and everytime there is a kick in our butt. No wonder,
>>> India is taken for a ride by all.
>>> JS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka
>>> <dilipdeka at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Netters,
>>>> Remember India, Bangladesh and Pakistan used to be one country
>>>> before
>>> the artificial borders were drawn. These borders did not draw
>>> lines around
>>> and change people's language, literature and culture overnight. So
>>> how can
>>> you distinguish someone from Bangladesh in the middle of similar
>>> people in
>>> India? Thus they are not detectable or deportable. Get used to it,
>>> I have
>>> been saying it for years - migration across artificial borders
>>> will keep
>>> happening, and you and I cannot do anything about it. Not even
>>> mighty :-)
>>> GOI cn solve this problem.
>>>>
>>>> Only solution is a new federation of the three countries so that
>>>> people
>>> can freely move across the borders in the pursuit of livelihood and
>>> business, in stead of pursuing religious or political ideology. I
>>> know
>>> it sounds like wishful thinking but it is possible if the social
>>> leaders
>>> put their minds to it.
>>>>
>>>> What's your take on it?
>>>> Dilip
>>>> Houston
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
>>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>> world <
>>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 9:17:15 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with,
>>>> IB tells
>>> Centre - Sentinel
>>>>
>>>> Those are very clever comments no doubt!
>>>>
>>>> What is not-so-clever, however, is the fact that the
>>>> 'democratically
>>> elected'
>>>> desi-govt/s. have neither been able to find or deport them. So
>>>> what do
>>> our
>>>> desi-demokrasy enthusiasts say about that? Is there a problem
>>>> here with
>>>> desi-sorkar, one that the clever netters so glibly put their
>>>> trust on, or
>>> is it a
>>>> problem with Uttam or is it a problem with the glib ones here ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> KJD,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a little intrigued that there is quite possibly this notion
>>>>> out
>>> there
>>>>> that there are NO illegal B'deshis in Assam,
>>>>> and that all this is a political ploy of some kind. Though, I
>>>>> haven't
>>> met
>>>>> any illegal (or Undocumented - in PC speak) B'deshis, we keep
>>>>> reading
>>> and
>>>>> hearing about vast numbers of B'deshis coming into Assam/NE, and
>>>>> even as
>>> far
>>>>> as Delhi, W. Bengal etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> The previous BD PM categorically stated there are none, and one
>>>>> time the
>>>>> Assam Govt. was able to identify 6 or 7 B'deshis for deportation.
>>>>> Heck, and if sections of people also believe that there are
>>>>> none, I
>>> guess
>>>>> there are no illegal B'deshis in Assam.
>>>>>
>>>>> The other thing about North Indians grabbing land in Assam is
>>>>> something
>>> very
>>>>> new. I have never heard about this (not that it matters) and
>>>>> something
>>> even
>>>>> close to it. If these are 'criminal' acts, then it quite possibly
>>> pervasive
>>>>> in other parts of India, and just making inroads into Assam.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Ram
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:18 PM, kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I
>>>>>>>>> will
>>> have to
>>>>>> make it point to meet one :-).<<<
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RS,
>>>>>> I am sure,there must be plenty of merry andrews in Assam as
>>>>>> well as in
>>>>>> the Net.However,in terms of buffoonery,he or she will not be
>>>>>> able to
>>>>>> match the one,who expects an illegal Bangladeshis to put on a
>>>>>> ID tag
>>>>>> hanging around his neck with the purpose of divulging his
>>>>>> nationality
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>> KJD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear Uttam,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me the
>>>>>>>> events
>>> are
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the
>>>>>>> future: that
>>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>> of: -).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree there is value in viewing issues in this manner.
>>>>>>> However, some
>>>>>>> issues (like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or similar ones)
>>>>>>> there
>>> is
>>>>>>> absolutely no end. The time line can be shifted at will, and
>>>>>>> how one
>>>>>> wishes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is why, it is often a good idea to compartmentalize
>>>>>>> issues. One
>>> has
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> start at some base line.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal
>>>>>>>> Bangladeshi
>>>>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I
>>>>>>> will have
>>> to
>>>>>>> make it point to meet one :-).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, there is the other possibility, since you have met one,
>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>> either, then we can both be sure there aren't any illegal
>>>>>>> B'deshis in
>>>>>> Assam.
>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart City
>>>>>>>> have
>>> been
>>>>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the
>>>>>>> >cowbelt
>>> want
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to
>>>>>>> build up a
>>>>>>> township.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I remember this. We were at Guwahati around that time. The Dr.
>>>>>>> was in
>>>>>>> B'lore, and some miscreants destroyed a big portion of his
>>>>>>> hospital.
>>>>>>> So, you claim some Hindiwalls or the like were behind this.
>>>>>>> And this
>>>>>> proves
>>>>>>> what, Uttam? That these Hindiwallas are out to get us?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no point in merely condemning the armed activity by
>>>>>>>> a small
>>>>>>> section of the Assamese. Being irrational, these activities
>>>>>>> would
>>> surely
>>>>>>>> give you the opportunity to sneer at them. But that will
>>>>>>>> rather stoke
>>> the
>>>>>>> fire than to douse it: do not you suggest we adhere to
>>>> 'non->violence'?
>>>>>> You
>>>>>>> got to feel the fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its
>>>>>>> foundation
>>> in
>>>>>>> hinterland ( some people say colony within a >colony!)
>>>>>>> economics.( you
>>>>>> call
>>>>>>> it 'victim mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whether I empathize or not hardly matters, the 'Victim
>>>>>>> mentality'
>>> exists
>>>>>> &
>>>>>>> quite well for that matter. In fact, this is a favorite tool
>>>>>>> used by
>>>>>> armed
>>>>>>> rebellions all over the world, and maybe even countries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Ram da
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:42 PM, uttam borthakur
>>>>>>> <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Ram Da,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me the
>>>>>>>> events
>>> are
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the
>>>>>>>> future: that
>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>>> of: -).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since I have to run this time, I just point out a few things
>>>>>>>> for you
>>> to
>>>>>>>> just ponder: -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal
>>>>>>>> Bangladeshi
>>>>>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart City
>>>>>>>> have
>>> been
>>>>>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the
>>>>>>>> cowbelt
>>> want
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to
>>>>>>>> build up
>>> a
>>>>>>>> township. In Chandrapur area, the Oxomiya henchmen of the
>>>>>>>> cowbelt
>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>> houses are intimidating, killing, demolishing fences, etc.
>>>>>>>> etc. in
>>> order
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> devour the land. Local resistance of villagers, who are getting
>>>>>> organised in
>>>>>>>> the fear of losing homestead, are somewhat delaying the
>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>> Political
>>>>>>>> bigwigs , Ministersrunning Assam are in cahoots. Policemen are
>>> involved.
>>>>>> All
>>>>>>>> these are daily news. Recently, I went on a survey. I was
>>>>>>>> aghast to
>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>> that annual periodic pattas are given to the settlers; they
>>>>>>>> are now
>>>>>> given
>>>>>>>> the marching orders after giving them some money and a back
>>>>>>>> dated
>>>>>> agreement;
>>>>>>>> on the basis of such agreement petty revenue for last fiver
>>>>>>>> years are
>>>>>> paid
>>>>>>>> in the name of these political bigwigs, ministers, northerners,
>>>>>>>> journalists etc. who have occupied huge chunks of beautiful
>>>>>>>> forest,
>>>>>> hill
>>>>>>>> lands with tremendous sight of the mighty Brahmaputra. If you
>>>>>>>> pay 20
>>>>>> times
>>>>>>>> or so of the revenue you get a Myadi Patta. For the poor
>>>>>>>> settlers it
>>> is
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> huge amount; for the carpetbaggers it is pittance. ( My take
>>>>>>>> on this
>>> is
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>> all colonial masters need local henchmen / dalals. The rich
>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>> cowbelt
>>>>>>>> will always need their paid goons to carry out their dirty
>>>>>>>> works. But
>>>>>> 'root
>>>>>>>> cause' is the money and greed of the masters: the principal
>>>>>>>> aspect of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> contradiction:-))
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. For various historical reasons, the processs of Assamese
>>>>>>>> Nation
>>>>>>>> formation (in the modern sense; I do not begin with
>>>>>>>> Narakasura:-))
>>> has
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> been very sturdy and this inherent weakness has led to knee-
>>>>>>>> jerk
>>>>>> reactions
>>>>>>>> weakening the process rather than bolstering it. There is no
>>>>>>>> point in
>>>>>>>> merely condemning the armed activity by a small section of the
>>> Assamese.
>>>>>>>> Being irrational, these activities would surely give you the
>>> opportunity
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> sneer at them. But that will rather stoke the fire than to
>>>>>>>> douse it:
>>> do
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> you suggest we adhere to 'non-violence'? You got to feel the
>>>>>>>> fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its foundation in
>>>>>>>> hinterland (
>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> people say colony within a colony!) economics.( you call it
>>>>>>>> 'victim
>>>>>>>> mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's about it for now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>>>>>>>
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