[Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with, IB tells Centre - Sentinel

kamal deka kjit.deka at gmail.com
Thu Jun 10 08:00:08 PDT 2010 

Why?Haven't we seen how 25% " NOKOTAS" of PORKISTAN and BONGS have
become " ADHA KOTAS"?

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> wrote:
> **** I love the fast-morphing of the issue to 'katwa-fear' :-).
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> On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:47 AM, kamal deka wrote:
>
>> Even the slow-witted would understand that after obliterating
>> International borders,the other religious groups save Islam,will be
>> forced to live in a land of circumcision.Is that what we want?
>> Such devilish machinations,although far-fledged,will always come to
>> naught.Hence,no point in engaging in a wild goose chase.
>> KJD
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well said JS.
>>>
>>> India, Bdesh, Pak. all in one federation? Wow! That would indeed mean
>>> Utopia, if ever one existed.
>>>
>>> Just to add, before Pakistan & India were separated, most (now on the
>>> Indian
>>> side) did NOT want a separation. It was basically, Md. Ali Jinnah and
>>> others
>>> who wanted the separation by any means.
>>>
>>> Today, even if a majority of Indians wanted to be one big happy family,
>>> there is so much hatred (for India, US etc) in Pakistan, that there' a
>>> snowball's chance in hell for Pakis ever wanting to team up with India
>>> (well, only, maybe, as conquerors).
>>>
>>> Whether or not illegal B'deshis can or cannot be identified, these are
>>> still
>>> separate countries, and any joint Fed, kumbayas, fuzzy-feelin, still will
>>> not justify such a move.
>>>
>>> On a side note, the ULFA (and others) who have been born & bred in India,
>>> are demanding a separate 'Nation' for Assam. And if they want to
>>> separate,
>>> why are we looking for these other countries to join India?
>>>
>>> -- Ram da
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Jyotirmoy Sharma <
>>> jyotirmoy.sharma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> God bless India and Indians if India, Pak and Bangladesh form a
>>>> federation. I thought the countries split because we could no longer
>>>> live together. Let's face the reality. We are better off as we are.
>>>> India is a developing country and is marching ahead inspite of all
>>>> it's problems. India is one of the most unique country in the world.
>>>> When western countries preach about values like democracy, equality, I
>>>> think .. would they ever allow someone from a religious minority group
>>>> to occupy the most powerful post in the country? It hasn't yet taken
>>>> place and I doubt it will. Netters can correct me. Even Barak Obama
>>>> had to hide his middle name during the campaign, although he has
>>>> converted to Chritianity.
>>>>
>>>> While Bangladesh, under the current regime ( and even Sri Lanka )
>>>> seems to be taking a strong resolve to root out terrorism, Pakistan is
>>>> a failed state. Under no circumstance would they( meaning Pak govt )
>>>> give up the idea of Kashmir. Infact no one can form a govt in Pak
>>>> without having Kashmir in its agenda( It's a truth which  most
>>>> Pakistanis will acknowledge. It's a different matter that most
>>>> educated  everyday Pakistani citizens wouldn't be too worried about
>>>> what happening in Indian Kashmir ). That is precisely the problem with
>>>> Pakistan. Rather than worrying about improving their own country ,
>>>> their policies are India centric.
>>>> Now I read of ISI's direct involvement in 26/11( David Headley's
>>>> confession .. I am sure some netters will even negate the validity of
>>>> such confession )
>>>> How many more Kasabs, Afzal Gurus does India want? We keep extending a
>>>> friendly hand and everytime there is a kick in our butt. No wonder,
>>>> India is taken for a ride by all.
>>>> JS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka
>>>> <dilipdeka at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Netters,
>>>>> Remember India, Bangladesh and Pakistan used to be one country  before
>>>>
>>>> the artificial borders were drawn. These borders did not draw lines
>>>> around
>>>> and change people's language, literature and culture overnight. So how
>>>> can
>>>> you distinguish someone from Bangladesh in the middle of similar people
>>>> in
>>>> India? Thus they are not detectable or deportable. Get used to it, I
>>>> have
>>>> been saying it for years - migration across artificial borders will keep
>>>> happening, and you and I cannot do anything about it. Not even mighty
>>>> :-)
>>>> GOI cn solve this problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only solution is a new federation of the three countries so that people
>>>>
>>>> can freely move across the borders in the pursuit of livelihood and
>>>> business, in stead of pursuing religious or political ideology. I know
>>>> it sounds like  wishful thinking but it is possible if the social
>>>> leaders
>>>> put their minds to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> What's your take on it?
>>>>> Dilip
>>>>> Houston
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
>>>>> <
>>>>
>>>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 9:17:15 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with, IB
>>>>> tells
>>>>
>>>> Centre - Sentinel
>>>>>
>>>>> Those are very clever comments no doubt!
>>>>>
>>>>> What is not-so-clever, however, is the fact that the 'democratically
>>>>
>>>> elected'
>>>>>
>>>>> desi-govt/s. have neither been able to find or deport them. So what do
>>>>
>>>> our
>>>>>
>>>>> desi-demokrasy enthusiasts say about that? Is there a problem here with
>>>>> desi-sorkar, one that the clever netters so glibly put their trust on,
>>>>> or
>>>>
>>>> is it a
>>>>>
>>>>> problem with Uttam or is it a problem with the glib ones here ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> KJD,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am a little intrigued that there is quite possibly this notion out
>>>>
>>>> there
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that there are NO illegal B'deshis in Assam,
>>>>>> and that all this is a political ploy of some kind. Though, I haven't
>>>>
>>>> met
>>>>>>
>>>>>> any illegal (or Undocumented - in PC speak) B'deshis, we keep reading
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hearing about vast numbers of B'deshis coming into Assam/NE, and even
>>>>>> as
>>>>
>>>> far
>>>>>>
>>>>>> as Delhi, W. Bengal etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The previous BD PM categorically stated there are none, and one time
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Assam Govt. was able to identify 6 or 7 B'deshis for deportation.
>>>>>> Heck, and if sections of people also believe that there are none, I
>>>>
>>>> guess
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there are no illegal B'deshis in Assam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other thing about North Indians grabbing land in Assam is
>>>>>> something
>>>>
>>>> very
>>>>>>
>>>>>> new. I have never heard about this (not that it matters) and something
>>>>
>>>> even
>>>>>>
>>>>>> close to it. If these are 'criminal' acts, then it quite possibly
>>>>
>>>> pervasive
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in other parts of India, and just making inroads into Assam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Ram
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:18 PM, kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I will
>>>>
>>>> have to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> make it point to meet one :-).<<<
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RS,
>>>>>>> I am sure,there must be plenty of merry andrews in Assam as well as
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the Net.However,in terms of buffoonery,he or she will not be able to
>>>>>>> match the one,who expects an illegal Bangladeshis to put on a ID tag
>>>>>>> hanging around his neck with the purpose of divulging his nationality
>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>> KJD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Uttam,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me the events
>>>>
>>>> are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the future: that
>>>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>>> of: -).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree there is value in viewing issues in this manner. However,
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> issues (like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or similar ones) there
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> absolutely no end. The time line can be shifted at will, and how one
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wishes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is why, it is often a good idea to compartmentalize issues. One
>>>>
>>>> has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> start at some base line.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal Bangladeshi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I will
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> make it point to meet one :-).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But, there is the other possibility, since you have met one, and I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> either, then we can both be sure there aren't any illegal B'deshis
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Assam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart City have
>>>>
>>>> been
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the >cowbelt
>>>>
>>>> want
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to build up
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> township.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I remember this. We were at Guwahati around that time. The Dr. was
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> B'lore, and some miscreants destroyed a big portion of his hospital.
>>>>>>>> So, you claim some Hindiwalls or the like were behind this. And this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> proves
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what, Uttam? That these Hindiwallas are out to get us?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no point in merely condemning the armed activity by a
>>>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> section of the Assamese. Being irrational, these activities would
>>>>
>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> give you the opportunity to sneer at them. But that will rather
>>>>>>>>> stoke
>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fire than to douse it: do not you suggest we adhere to
>>>>>
>>>>> 'non->violence'?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> got to feel the fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its
>>>>>>>> foundation
>>>>
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hinterland ( some people say colony within a >colony!) economics.(
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> call
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it 'victim mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whether I empathize or not hardly matters, the 'Victim mentality'
>>>>
>>>> exists
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> quite well for that matter. In fact, this is a favorite tool used by
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> armed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> rebellions all over the world, and maybe even countries.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --Ram da
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:42 PM, uttam borthakur
>>>>>>>> <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Ram Da,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me the events
>>>>
>>>> are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the future:
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of: -).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since I have to run this time, I just point out a few things for
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> just ponder: -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal Bangladeshi
>>>>>>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart City have
>>>>
>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the cowbelt
>>>>
>>>> want
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to build
>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> township. In Chandrapur area, the Oxomiya henchmen of the cowbelt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> houses are intimidating, killing, demolishing fences, etc. etc. in
>>>>
>>>> order
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> devour the land. Local resistance of villagers, who are getting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> organised in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the fear of losing homestead, are somewhat delaying the process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Political
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bigwigs , Ministersrunning Assam are in cahoots. Policemen are
>>>>
>>>> involved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> these are daily news. Recently, I went on a survey. I was aghast to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that annual periodic pattas are given to the settlers; they are now
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> given
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the marching orders after giving them some money and a back dated
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> agreement;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> on the basis of such agreement petty revenue for last fiver years
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> paid
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in the name of these political bigwigs, ministers, northerners,
>>>>>>>>> journalists etc. who have occupied huge chunks of beautiful forest,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hill
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lands with tremendous sight of the mighty Brahmaputra. If you pay
>>>>>>>>> 20
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> times
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> or so of the revenue you get a Myadi Patta. For the poor settlers
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> huge amount; for the carpetbaggers it is pittance. ( My take on
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>
>>>> is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> all colonial masters need local henchmen / dalals. The rich from
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cowbelt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> will always need their paid goons to carry out their dirty works.
>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'root
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> cause' is the money and greed of the masters: the principal aspect
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> contradiction:-))
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3. For various historical reasons, the processs of Assamese Nation
>>>>>>>>> formation (in the modern sense; I do not begin with Narakasura:-))
>>>>
>>>> has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> been very sturdy and this inherent weakness has led to knee-jerk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> reactions
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> weakening the process rather than bolstering it. There is no point
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> merely condemning the armed activity by a small section of the
>>>>
>>>> Assamese.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Being irrational, these activities would surely give you the
>>>>
>>>> opportunity
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sneer at them. But that will rather stoke the fire than to douse
>>>>>>>>> it:
>>>>
>>>> do
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you suggest we adhere to 'non-violence'? You got to feel the
>>>>>>>>> fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its foundation in hinterland
>>>>>>>>> (
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> people say colony within a colony!) economics.( you call it 'victim
>>>>>>>>> mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's about it for now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>>>>>>>>
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