[Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with, IB tells Centre - Sentinel
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at gmail.com
Thu Jun 10 08:05:03 PDT 2010
On Jun 10, 2010, at 10:00 AM, kamal deka wrote:
> Why?Haven't we seen how 25% " NOKOTAS" of PORKISTAN and BONGS have
> become " ADHA KOTAS"?
*** I have no way know :-). Besides, I am not interested.
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> **** I love the fast-morphing of the issue to 'katwa-fear' :-).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:47 AM, kamal deka wrote:
>>
>>> Even the slow-witted would understand that after obliterating
>>> International borders,the other religious groups save Islam,will be
>>> forced to live in a land of circumcision.Is that what we want?
>>> Such devilish machinations,although far-fledged,will always come to
>>> naught.Hence,no point in engaging in a wild goose chase.
>>> KJD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well said JS.
>>>>
>>>> India, Bdesh, Pak. all in one federation? Wow! That would indeed
>>>> mean
>>>> Utopia, if ever one existed.
>>>>
>>>> Just to add, before Pakistan & India were separated, most (now on
>>>> the
>>>> Indian
>>>> side) did NOT want a separation. It was basically, Md. Ali Jinnah
>>>> and
>>>> others
>>>> who wanted the separation by any means.
>>>>
>>>> Today, even if a majority of Indians wanted to be one big happy
>>>> family,
>>>> there is so much hatred (for India, US etc) in Pakistan, that
>>>> there' a
>>>> snowball's chance in hell for Pakis ever wanting to team up with
>>>> India
>>>> (well, only, maybe, as conquerors).
>>>>
>>>> Whether or not illegal B'deshis can or cannot be identified,
>>>> these are
>>>> still
>>>> separate countries, and any joint Fed, kumbayas, fuzzy-feelin,
>>>> still will
>>>> not justify such a move.
>>>>
>>>> On a side note, the ULFA (and others) who have been born & bred
>>>> in India,
>>>> are demanding a separate 'Nation' for Assam. And if they want to
>>>> separate,
>>>> why are we looking for these other countries to join India?
>>>>
>>>> -- Ram da
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Jyotirmoy Sharma <
>>>> jyotirmoy.sharma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> God bless India and Indians if India, Pak and Bangladesh form a
>>>>> federation. I thought the countries split because we could no
>>>>> longer
>>>>> live together. Let's face the reality. We are better off as we
>>>>> are.
>>>>> India is a developing country and is marching ahead inspite of all
>>>>> it's problems. India is one of the most unique country in the
>>>>> world.
>>>>> When western countries preach about values like democracy,
>>>>> equality, I
>>>>> think .. would they ever allow someone from a religious minority
>>>>> group
>>>>> to occupy the most powerful post in the country? It hasn't yet
>>>>> taken
>>>>> place and I doubt it will. Netters can correct me. Even Barak
>>>>> Obama
>>>>> had to hide his middle name during the campaign, although he has
>>>>> converted to Chritianity.
>>>>>
>>>>> While Bangladesh, under the current regime ( and even Sri Lanka )
>>>>> seems to be taking a strong resolve to root out terrorism,
>>>>> Pakistan is
>>>>> a failed state. Under no circumstance would they( meaning Pak
>>>>> govt )
>>>>> give up the idea of Kashmir. Infact no one can form a govt in Pak
>>>>> without having Kashmir in its agenda( It's a truth which most
>>>>> Pakistanis will acknowledge. It's a different matter that most
>>>>> educated everyday Pakistani citizens wouldn't be too worried
>>>>> about
>>>>> what happening in Indian Kashmir ). That is precisely the
>>>>> problem with
>>>>> Pakistan. Rather than worrying about improving their own country ,
>>>>> their policies are India centric.
>>>>> Now I read of ISI's direct involvement in 26/11( David Headley's
>>>>> confession .. I am sure some netters will even negate the
>>>>> validity of
>>>>> such confession )
>>>>> How many more Kasabs, Afzal Gurus does India want? We keep
>>>>> extending a
>>>>> friendly hand and everytime there is a kick in our butt. No
>>>>> wonder,
>>>>> India is taken for a ride by all.
>>>>> JS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka
>>>>> <dilipdeka at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Netters,
>>>>>> Remember India, Bangladesh and Pakistan used to be one country
>>>>>> before
>>>>>
>>>>> the artificial borders were drawn. These borders did not draw
>>>>> lines
>>>>> around
>>>>> and change people's language, literature and culture overnight.
>>>>> So how
>>>>> can
>>>>> you distinguish someone from Bangladesh in the middle of similar
>>>>> people
>>>>> in
>>>>> India? Thus they are not detectable or deportable. Get used to
>>>>> it, I
>>>>> have
>>>>> been saying it for years - migration across artificial borders
>>>>> will keep
>>>>> happening, and you and I cannot do anything about it. Not even
>>>>> mighty
>>>>> :-)
>>>>> GOI cn solve this problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only solution is a new federation of the three countries so
>>>>>> that people
>>>>>
>>>>> can freely move across the borders in the pursuit of livelihood
>>>>> and
>>>>> business, in stead of pursuing religious or political ideology.
>>>>> I know
>>>>> it sounds like wishful thinking but it is possible if the social
>>>>> leaders
>>>>> put their minds to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's your take on it?
>>>>>> Dilip
>>>>>> Houston
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around
>>>>>> the world
>>>>>> <
>>>>>
>>>>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 9:17:15 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned
>>>>>> with, IB
>>>>>> tells
>>>>>
>>>>> Centre - Sentinel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those are very clever comments no doubt!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is not-so-clever, however, is the fact that the
>>>>>> 'democratically
>>>>>
>>>>> elected'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> desi-govt/s. have neither been able to find or deport them. So
>>>>>> what do
>>>>>
>>>>> our
>>>>>>
>>>>>> desi-demokrasy enthusiasts say about that? Is there a problem
>>>>>> here with
>>>>>> desi-sorkar, one that the clever netters so glibly put their
>>>>>> trust on,
>>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>> is it a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> problem with Uttam or is it a problem with the glib ones here ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> KJD,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am a little intrigued that there is quite possibly this
>>>>>>> notion out
>>>>>
>>>>> there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that there are NO illegal B'deshis in Assam,
>>>>>>> and that all this is a political ploy of some kind. Though, I
>>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>
>>>>> met
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> any illegal (or Undocumented - in PC speak) B'deshis, we keep
>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hearing about vast numbers of B'deshis coming into Assam/NE,
>>>>>>> and even
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>
>>>>> far
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as Delhi, W. Bengal etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The previous BD PM categorically stated there are none, and
>>>>>>> one time
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Assam Govt. was able to identify 6 or 7 B'deshis for
>>>>>>> deportation.
>>>>>>> Heck, and if sections of people also believe that there are
>>>>>>> none, I
>>>>>
>>>>> guess
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> there are no illegal B'deshis in Assam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The other thing about North Indians grabbing land in Assam is
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>
>>>>> very
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> new. I have never heard about this (not that it matters) and
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>
>>>>> even
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> close to it. If these are 'criminal' acts, then it quite
>>>>>>> possibly
>>>>>
>>>>> pervasive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in other parts of India, and just making inroads into Assam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Ram
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:18 PM, kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam,
>>>>>>>>>>> I will
>>>>>
>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> make it point to meet one :-).<<<
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RS,
>>>>>>>> I am sure,there must be plenty of merry andrews in Assam as
>>>>>>>> well as
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the Net.However,in terms of buffoonery,he or she will not be
>>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>>> match the one,who expects an illegal Bangladeshis to put on a
>>>>>>>> ID tag
>>>>>>>> hanging around his neck with the purpose of divulging his
>>>>>>>> nationality
>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>> KJD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Uttam,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me
>>>>>>>>>> the events
>>>>>
>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the
>>>>>>>>> future: that
>>>>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>>>> of: -).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree there is value in viewing issues in this manner.
>>>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> issues (like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or similar
>>>>>>>>> ones) there
>>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> absolutely no end. The time line can be shifted at will, and
>>>>>>>>> how one
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wishes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is why, it is often a good idea to compartmentalize
>>>>>>>>> issues. One
>>>>>
>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> start at some base line.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal
>>>>>>>>>> Bangladeshi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> make it point to meet one :-).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But, there is the other possibility, since you have met one,
>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> either, then we can both be sure there aren't any illegal
>>>>>>>>> B'deshis
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Assam.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart
>>>>>>>>>> City have
>>>>>
>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the
>>>>>>>>> >cowbelt
>>>>>
>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to
>>>>>>>>> build up
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> township.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I remember this. We were at Guwahati around that time. The
>>>>>>>>> Dr. was
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> B'lore, and some miscreants destroyed a big portion of his
>>>>>>>>> hospital.
>>>>>>>>> So, you claim some Hindiwalls or the like were behind this.
>>>>>>>>> And this
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> proves
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> what, Uttam? That these Hindiwallas are out to get us?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no point in merely condemning the armed activity
>>>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> section of the Assamese. Being irrational, these activities
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>
>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> give you the opportunity to sneer at them. But that will
>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>> stoke
>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> fire than to douse it: do not you suggest we adhere to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'non->violence'?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> got to feel the fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its
>>>>>>>>> foundation
>>>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hinterland ( some people say colony within a >colony!)
>>>>>>>>> economics.(
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> call
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it 'victim mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Whether I empathize or not hardly matters, the 'Victim
>>>>>>>>> mentality'
>>>>>
>>>>> exists
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> quite well for that matter. In fact, this is a favorite tool
>>>>>>>>> used by
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> armed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> rebellions all over the world, and maybe even countries.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --Ram da
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:42 PM, uttam borthakur
>>>>>>>>> <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Ram Da,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me
>>>>>>>>>> the events
>>>>>
>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the
>>>>>>>>>> future:
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of: -).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Since I have to run this time, I just point out a few
>>>>>>>>>> things for
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> just ponder: -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal
>>>>>>>>>> Bangladeshi
>>>>>>>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart
>>>>>>>>>> City have
>>>>>
>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the
>>>>>>>>>> cowbelt
>>>>>
>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to
>>>>>>>>>> build
>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> township. In Chandrapur area, the Oxomiya henchmen of the
>>>>>>>>>> cowbelt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> houses are intimidating, killing, demolishing fences, etc.
>>>>>>>>>> etc. in
>>>>>
>>>>> order
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> devour the land. Local resistance of villagers, who are
>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> organised in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the fear of losing homestead, are somewhat delaying the
>>>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Political
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bigwigs , Ministersrunning Assam are in cahoots. Policemen
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>
>>>>> involved.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> these are daily news. Recently, I went on a survey. I was
>>>>>>>>>> aghast to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> that annual periodic pattas are given to the settlers; they
>>>>>>>>>> are now
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> given
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the marching orders after giving them some money and a back
>>>>>>>>>> dated
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> agreement;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> on the basis of such agreement petty revenue for last fiver
>>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> paid
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in the name of these political bigwigs, ministers,
>>>>>>>>>> northerners,
>>>>>>>>>> journalists etc. who have occupied huge chunks of beautiful
>>>>>>>>>> forest,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hill
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> lands with tremendous sight of the mighty Brahmaputra. If
>>>>>>>>>> you pay
>>>>>>>>>> 20
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> times
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> or so of the revenue you get a Myadi Patta. For the poor
>>>>>>>>>> settlers
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> huge amount; for the carpetbaggers it is pittance. ( My
>>>>>>>>>> take on
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> all colonial masters need local henchmen / dalals. The rich
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cowbelt
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> will always need their paid goons to carry out their dirty
>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'root
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> cause' is the money and greed of the masters: the principal
>>>>>>>>>> aspect
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> contradiction:-))
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 3. For various historical reasons, the processs of Assamese
>>>>>>>>>> Nation
>>>>>>>>>> formation (in the modern sense; I do not begin with
>>>>>>>>>> Narakasura:-))
>>>>>
>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> been very sturdy and this inherent weakness has led to knee-
>>>>>>>>>> jerk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> reactions
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> weakening the process rather than bolstering it. There is
>>>>>>>>>> no point
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> merely condemning the armed activity by a small section of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> Assamese.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Being irrational, these activities would surely give you the
>>>>>
>>>>> opportunity
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> sneer at them. But that will rather stoke the fire than to
>>>>>>>>>> douse
>>>>>>>>>> it:
>>>>>
>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you suggest we adhere to 'non-violence'? You got to feel the
>>>>>>>>>> fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its foundation in
>>>>>>>>>> hinterland
>>>>>>>>>> (
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> people say colony within a colony!) economics.( you call it
>>>>>>>>>> 'victim
>>>>>>>>>> mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's about it for now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>>>>>>>>>
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