[Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with, IB tells Centre - Sentinel

Thu Jun 10 08:15:07 PDT 2010

That's why one should dig in deep to support one's reasoning:-)
K

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Jun 10, 2010, at 10:00 AM, kamal deka wrote:
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>> Why?Haven't we seen how 25% " NOKOTAS" of PORKISTAN and BONGS have
>> become " ADHA KOTAS"?
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>
> *** I have no way know :-). Besides, I am not interested.
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>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> **** I love the fast-morphing of the issue to 'katwa-fear' :-).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:47 AM, kamal deka wrote:
>>>
>>>> Even the slow-witted would understand that after obliterating
>>>> International borders,the other religious groups save Islam,will be
>>>> forced to live in a land of circumcision.Is that what we want?
>>>> Such devilish machinations,although far-fledged,will always come to
>>>> naught.Hence,no point in engaging in a wild goose chase.
>>>> KJD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well said JS.
>>>>>
>>>>> India, Bdesh, Pak. all in one federation? Wow! That would indeed mean
>>>>> Utopia, if ever one existed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just to add, before Pakistan & India were separated, most (now on the
>>>>> Indian
>>>>> side) did NOT want a separation. It was basically, Md. Ali Jinnah and
>>>>> others
>>>>> who wanted the separation by any means.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today, even if a majority of Indians wanted to be one big happy family,
>>>>> there is so much hatred (for India, US etc) in Pakistan, that there' a
>>>>> snowball's chance in hell for Pakis ever wanting to team up with India
>>>>> (well, only, maybe, as conquerors).
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether or not illegal B'deshis can or cannot be identified, these are
>>>>> still
>>>>> separate countries, and any joint Fed, kumbayas, fuzzy-feelin, still
>>>>> will
>>>>> not justify such a move.
>>>>>
>>>>> On a side note, the ULFA (and others) who have been born & bred in
>>>>> India,
>>>>> are demanding a separate 'Nation' for Assam. And if they want to
>>>>> separate,
>>>>> why are we looking for these other countries to join India?
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Ram da
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Jyotirmoy Sharma <
>>>>> jyotirmoy.sharma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> God bless India and Indians if India, Pak and Bangladesh form a
>>>>>> federation. I thought the countries split because we could no longer
>>>>>> live together. Let's face the reality. We are better off as we are.
>>>>>> India is a developing country and is marching ahead inspite of all
>>>>>> it's problems. India is one of the most unique country in the world.
>>>>>> When western countries preach about values like democracy, equality, I
>>>>>> think .. would they ever allow someone from a religious minority group
>>>>>> to occupy the most powerful post in the country? It hasn't yet taken
>>>>>> place and I doubt it will. Netters can correct me. Even Barak Obama
>>>>>> had to hide his middle name during the campaign, although he has
>>>>>> converted to Chritianity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While Bangladesh, under the current regime ( and even Sri Lanka )
>>>>>> seems to be taking a strong resolve to root out terrorism, Pakistan is
>>>>>> a failed state. Under no circumstance would they( meaning Pak govt )
>>>>>> give up the idea of Kashmir. Infact no one can form a govt in Pak
>>>>>> without having Kashmir in its agenda( It's a truth which  most
>>>>>> Pakistanis will acknowledge. It's a different matter that most
>>>>>> educated  everyday Pakistani citizens wouldn't be too worried about
>>>>>> what happening in Indian Kashmir ). That is precisely the problem with
>>>>>> Pakistan. Rather than worrying about improving their own country ,
>>>>>> their policies are India centric.
>>>>>> Now I read of ISI's direct involvement in 26/11( David Headley's
>>>>>> confession .. I am sure some netters will even negate the validity of
>>>>>> such confession )
>>>>>> How many more Kasabs, Afzal Gurus does India want? We keep extending a
>>>>>> friendly hand and everytime there is a kick in our butt. No wonder,
>>>>>> India is taken for a ride by all.
>>>>>> JS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka
>>>>>> <dilipdeka at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Netters,
>>>>>>> Remember India, Bangladesh and Pakistan used to be one country
>>>>>>>  before
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the artificial borders were drawn. These borders did not draw lines
>>>>>> around
>>>>>> and change people's language, literature and culture overnight. So how
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> you distinguish someone from Bangladesh in the middle of similar
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> India? Thus they are not detectable or deportable. Get used to it, I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> been saying it for years - migration across artificial borders will
>>>>>> keep
>>>>>> happening, and you and I cannot do anything about it. Not even mighty
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>> GOI cn solve this problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only solution is a new federation of the three countries so that
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>
>>>>>> can freely move across the borders in the pursuit of livelihood and
>>>>>> business, in stead of pursuing religious or political ideology. I know
>>>>>> it sounds like  wishful thinking but it is possible if the social
>>>>>> leaders
>>>>>> put their minds to it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's your take on it?
>>>>>>> Dilip
>>>>>>> Houston
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>
>>>>>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 9:17:15 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with, IB
>>>>>>> tells
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Centre - Sentinel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those are very clever comments no doubt!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is not-so-clever, however, is the fact that the 'democratically
>>>>>>
>>>>>> elected'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> desi-govt/s. have neither been able to find or deport them. So what
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>
>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> desi-demokrasy enthusiasts say about that? Is there a problem here
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> desi-sorkar, one that the clever netters so glibly put their trust
>>>>>>> on,
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is it a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> problem with Uttam or is it a problem with the glib ones here ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> KJD,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am a little intrigued that there is quite possibly this notion out
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that there are NO illegal B'deshis in Assam,
>>>>>>>> and that all this is a political ploy of some kind. Though, I
>>>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>
>>>>>> met
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> any illegal (or Undocumented - in PC speak) B'deshis, we keep
>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hearing about vast numbers of B'deshis coming into Assam/NE, and
>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>
>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> as Delhi, W. Bengal etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The previous BD PM categorically stated there are none, and one time
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Assam Govt. was able to identify 6 or 7 B'deshis for deportation.
>>>>>>>> Heck, and if sections of people also believe that there are none, I
>>>>>>
>>>>>> guess
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> there are no illegal B'deshis in Assam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The other thing about North Indians grabbing land in Assam is
>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>
>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> new. I have never heard about this (not that it matters) and
>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>
>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> close to it. If these are 'criminal' acts, then it quite possibly
>>>>>>
>>>>>> pervasive
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in other parts of India, and just making inroads into Assam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --Ram
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:18 PM, kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I will
>>>>>>
>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> make it point to meet one :-).<<<
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> RS,
>>>>>>>>> I am sure,there must be plenty of merry andrews in Assam as well as
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the Net.However,in terms of buffoonery,he or she will not be able
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> match the one,who expects an illegal Bangladeshis to put on a ID
>>>>>>>>> tag
>>>>>>>>> hanging around his neck with the purpose of divulging his
>>>>>>>>> nationality
>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>> KJD
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Ram Sarangapani
>>>>>>>>> <assamrs at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Uttam,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me the
>>>>>>>>>>> events
>>>>>>
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the future:
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>>>>> of: -).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I agree there is value in viewing issues in this manner. However,
>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>> issues (like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or similar ones)
>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> absolutely no end. The time line can be shifted at will, and how
>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wishes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is why, it is often a good idea to compartmentalize issues.
>>>>>>>>>> One
>>>>>>
>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> start at some base line.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal Bangladeshi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I will
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> make it point to meet one :-).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But, there is the other possibility, since you have met one, and I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> either, then we can both be sure there aren't any illegal B'deshis
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Assam.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart City have
>>>>>>
>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the
>>>>>>>>>> >cowbelt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to build
>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> township.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I remember this. We were at Guwahati around that time. The Dr. was
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> B'lore, and some miscreants destroyed a big portion of his
>>>>>>>>>> hospital.
>>>>>>>>>> So, you claim some Hindiwalls or the like were behind this. And
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> proves
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> what, Uttam? That these Hindiwallas are out to get us?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no point in merely condemning the armed activity by a
>>>>>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> section of the Assamese. Being irrational, these activities would
>>>>>>
>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> give you the opportunity to sneer at them. But that will rather
>>>>>>>>>>> stoke
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> fire than to douse it: do not you suggest we adhere to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'non->violence'?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> got to feel the fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its
>>>>>>>>>> foundation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hinterland ( some people say colony within a >colony!) economics.(
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> call
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it 'victim mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Whether I empathize or not hardly matters, the 'Victim mentality'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> exists
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> quite well for that matter. In fact, this is a favorite tool used
>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> armed
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> rebellions all over the world, and maybe even countries.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --Ram da
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:42 PM, uttam borthakur
>>>>>>>>>> <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Ram Da,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me the
>>>>>>>>>>> events
>>>>>>
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the future:
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> of: -).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Since I have to run this time, I just point out a few things for
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> just ponder: -
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal Bangladeshi
>>>>>>>>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart City have
>>>>>>
>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the
>>>>>>>>>>> cowbelt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to build
>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> township. In Chandrapur area, the Oxomiya henchmen of the cowbelt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> houses are intimidating, killing, demolishing fences, etc. etc.
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>
>>>>>> order
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> devour the land. Local resistance of villagers, who are getting
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> organised in
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the fear of losing homestead, are somewhat delaying the process.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Political
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> bigwigs , Ministersrunning Assam are in cahoots. Policemen are
>>>>>>
>>>>>> involved.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> these are daily news. Recently, I went on a survey. I was aghast
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that annual periodic pattas are given to the settlers; they are
>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> given
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the marching orders after giving them some money and a back dated
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> agreement;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> on the basis of such agreement petty revenue for last fiver years
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> paid
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> in the name of these political bigwigs, ministers, northerners,
>>>>>>>>>>> journalists etc. who have occupied huge chunks of beautiful
>>>>>>>>>>> forest,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hill
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> lands with tremendous sight of the mighty Brahmaputra. If you pay
>>>>>>>>>>> 20
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> times
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> or so of the revenue you get a Myadi Patta. For the poor settlers
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> huge amount; for the carpetbaggers it is pittance. ( My take on
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> all colonial masters need local henchmen / dalals. The rich from
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> cowbelt
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> will always need their paid goons to carry out their dirty works.
>>>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'root
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> cause' is the money and greed of the masters: the principal
>>>>>>>>>>> aspect
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> contradiction:-))
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. For various historical reasons, the processs of Assamese
>>>>>>>>>>> Nation
>>>>>>>>>>> formation (in the modern sense; I do not begin with
>>>>>>>>>>> Narakasura:-))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> been very sturdy and this inherent weakness has led to knee-jerk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> reactions
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> weakening the process rather than bolstering it. There is no
>>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> merely condemning the armed activity by a small section of the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Assamese.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Being irrational, these activities would surely give you the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> opportunity
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> sneer at them. But that will rather stoke the fire than to douse
>>>>>>>>>>> it:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you suggest we adhere to 'non-violence'? You got to feel the
>>>>>>>>>>> fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its foundation in
>>>>>>>>>>> hinterland
>>>>>>>>>>> (
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> people say colony within a colony!) economics.( you call it
>>>>>>>>>>> 'victim
>>>>>>>>>>> mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's about it for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>>>>>>>>>>
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