[Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with, IB tells Centre - Sentinel
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at gmail.com
Thu Jun 10 08:03:20 PDT 2010
*** Does not require any rebuttal at all. It is self-explanatory and
indicting :-).
On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:54 AM, kamal deka wrote:
> Outlandish remark does not constitute a proper rebuttal.Needs
> elaboration to buttress one's reasoning.
> KJD
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Wow! This is just not brilliant--it is stellar reasoning.
>> Philosophically, politically and oh so secularly :-)!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:48 AM, kamal deka wrote:
>>
>>> Islam and secularism are just like incompatible blood groups.
>>>
>>> Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it
>>> is
>>> a complete, total, 100% system of life.
>>>
>>> Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and
>>> military
>>> components.
>>> The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
>>>
>>> Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country
>>> to
>>> agitate for their religious privileges.
>>>
>>> When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies
>>> agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the
>>> other components tend to creep in as well..
>>>
>>> Here's how it works:
>>>
>>> As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any
>>> given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a
>>> peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens.
>>> This is the case in:
>>>
>>> United States -- Muslim 0..6%
>>> Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
>>> Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
>>> China -- Muslim 1.8%
>>> Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
>>> Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
>>>
>>> At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities
>>> and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails
>>> and
>>> among street gangs.
>>> This is happening in:
>>>
>>> Denmark -- Muslim 2%
>>> Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
>>> United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
>>> Spain -- Muslim 4%
>>> Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
>>>
>>> From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to
>>> their percentage of the population.
>>> For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by
>>> Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for
>>> Muslims.
>>> They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal
>>> on
>>> their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply.
>>> This is occurring in:
>>>
>>> France -- Muslim 8%
>>> Philippines -- 5%
>>> Sweden -- Muslim 5%
>>> Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
>>> The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
>>> Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
>>>
>>> At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow
>>> them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the
>>> Islamic Law.
>>> The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the
>>> entire world.
>>>
>>> When Muslims approach 10% of the population,
>>> they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about
>>> their
>>> conditions. In Paris ,
>>> we are already seeing car-burnings.
>>> Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and
>>> threats,
>>> such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films
>>> about Islam.
>>> Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
>>>
>>>
>>> Guyana -- Muslim 10%
>>> India -- Muslim 13.4%
>>> Israel -- Muslim 16%
>>> Kenya -- Muslim 10%
>>> Russia -- Muslim 15%
>>>
>>> After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad
>>> militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian
>>> churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
>>>
>>> Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
>>>
>>> At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror
>>> attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
>>>
>>>
>>> Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
>>> Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
>>> Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
>>>
>>> From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of
>>> nonbelievers of
>>> all other religions (including nonconforming Muslims), sporadic
>>> ethnic
>>> cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the
>>> tax placed on infidels, such as in:
>>>
>>> Albania -- Muslim 70%
>>> Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
>>> Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
>>> Sudan -- Muslim 70%
>>>
>>> After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-
>>> run
>>> ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out
>>> the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim,
>>> such as has been experienced and in some ways is ongoing in:
>>>
>>> Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
>>> Egypt -- Muslim 90%
>>> Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
>>> Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
>>> Iran -- Muslim 98%
>>> Iraq -- Muslim 97%
>>> Jordan -- Muslim 92%
>>> Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
>>> Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
>>> Palestine -- Muslim 99%
>>> Syria -- Muslim 90%
>>> Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
>>> Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
>>> United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
>>>
>>> 100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic
>>> House of
>>> Peace.
>>> Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim,
>>> the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only
>>> word, such
>>> as in:
>>>
>>> Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
>>> Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
>>> Somalia -- Muslim 100%
>>> Yemen -- Muslim 100%
>>>
>>> KJD
>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Jyotirmoy Sharma
>>> <jyotirmoy.sharma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> God bless India and Indians if India, Pak and Bangladesh form a
>>>> federation. I thought the countries split because we could no
>>>> longer
>>>> live together. Let's face the reality. We are better off as we are.
>>>> India is a developing country and is marching ahead inspite of all
>>>> it's problems. India is one of the most unique country in the
>>>> world.
>>>> When western countries preach about values like democracy,
>>>> equality, I
>>>> think .. would they ever allow someone from a religious minority
>>>> group
>>>> to occupy the most powerful post in the country? It hasn't yet
>>>> taken
>>>> place and I doubt it will. Netters can correct me. Even Barak Obama
>>>> had to hide his middle name during the campaign, although he has
>>>> converted to Chritianity.
>>>>
>>>> While Bangladesh, under the current regime ( and even Sri Lanka )
>>>> seems to be taking a strong resolve to root out terrorism,
>>>> Pakistan is
>>>> a failed state. Under no circumstance would they( meaning Pak
>>>> govt )
>>>> give up the idea of Kashmir. Infact no one can form a govt in Pak
>>>> without having Kashmir in its agenda( It's a truth which most
>>>> Pakistanis will acknowledge. It's a different matter that most
>>>> educated everyday Pakistani citizens wouldn't be too worried about
>>>> what happening in Indian Kashmir ). That is precisely the problem
>>>> with
>>>> Pakistan. Rather than worrying about improving their own country ,
>>>> their policies are India centric.
>>>> Now I read of ISI's direct involvement in 26/11( David Headley's
>>>> confession .. I am sure some netters will even negate the
>>>> validity of
>>>> such confession )
>>>> How many more Kasabs, Afzal Gurus does India want? We keep
>>>> extending a
>>>> friendly hand and everytime there is a kick in our butt. No wonder,
>>>> India is taken for a ride by all.
>>>> JS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka
>>>> <dilipdeka at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Netters,
>>>>> Remember India, Bangladesh and Pakistan used to be one country
>>>>> before
>>>>> the artificial borders were drawn. These borders did not draw
>>>>> lines around
>>>>> and change people's language, literature and culture overnight.
>>>>> So how can
>>>>> you distinguish someone from Bangladesh in the middle of similar
>>>>> people in
>>>>> India? Thus they are not detectable or deportable. Get used to
>>>>> it, I have
>>>>> been saying it for years - migration across artificial borders
>>>>> will keep
>>>>> happening, and you and I cannot do anything about it. Not even
>>>>> mighty :-)
>>>>> GOI cn solve this problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only solution is a new federation of the three countries so that
>>>>> people
>>>>> can freely move across the borders in the pursuit of livelihood
>>>>> and
>>>>> business, in stead of pursuing religious or political ideology.
>>>>> I know it
>>>>> sounds like wishful thinking but it is possible if the social
>>>>> leaders put
>>>>> their minds to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> What's your take on it?
>>>>> Dilip
>>>>> Houston
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around
>>>>> the world
>>>>> <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 9:17:15 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with,
>>>>> IB
>>>>> tells Centre - Sentinel
>>>>>
>>>>> Those are very clever comments no doubt!
>>>>>
>>>>> What is not-so-clever, however, is the fact that the
>>>>> 'democratically
>>>>> elected'
>>>>> desi-govt/s. have neither been able to find or deport them. So
>>>>> what do
>>>>> our
>>>>> desi-demokrasy enthusiasts say about that? Is there a problem
>>>>> here with
>>>>> desi-sorkar, one that the clever netters so glibly put their
>>>>> trust on,
>>>>> or is it a
>>>>> problem with Uttam or is it a problem with the glib ones here ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> KJD,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am a little intrigued that there is quite possibly this
>>>>>> notion out
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> that there are NO illegal B'deshis in Assam,
>>>>>> and that all this is a political ploy of some kind. Though, I
>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>> met
>>>>>> any illegal (or Undocumented - in PC speak) B'deshis, we keep
>>>>>> reading
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> hearing about vast numbers of B'deshis coming into Assam/NE,
>>>>>> and even
>>>>>> as far
>>>>>> as Delhi, W. Bengal etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The previous BD PM categorically stated there are none, and one
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Assam Govt. was able to identify 6 or 7 B'deshis for deportation.
>>>>>> Heck, and if sections of people also believe that there are
>>>>>> none, I
>>>>>> guess
>>>>>> there are no illegal B'deshis in Assam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other thing about North Indians grabbing land in Assam is
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> new. I have never heard about this (not that it matters) and
>>>>>> something
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> close to it. If these are 'criminal' acts, then it quite possibly
>>>>>> pervasive
>>>>>> in other parts of India, and just making inroads into Assam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Ram
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:18 PM, kamal deka
>>>>>> <kjit.deka at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> make it point to meet one :-).<<<
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RS,
>>>>>>> I am sure,there must be plenty of merry andrews in Assam as
>>>>>>> well as in
>>>>>>> the Net.However,in terms of buffoonery,he or she will not be
>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>> match the one,who expects an illegal Bangladeshis to put on a
>>>>>>> ID tag
>>>>>>> hanging around his neck with the purpose of divulging his
>>>>>>> nationality
>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>> KJD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Uttam,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me the
>>>>>>>>> events
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the
>>>>>>>> future: that
>>>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>>> of: -).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree there is value in viewing issues in this manner.
>>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> issues (like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or similar
>>>>>>>> ones) there
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> absolutely no end. The time line can be shifted at will, and
>>>>>>>> how one
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wishes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is why, it is often a good idea to compartmentalize
>>>>>>>> issues. One
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> start at some base line.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal
>>>>>>>>> Bangladeshi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I
>>>>>>>> will have
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> make it point to meet one :-).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But, there is the other possibility, since you have met one,
>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> either, then we can both be sure there aren't any illegal
>>>>>>>> B'deshis in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Assam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart City
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the
>>>>>>>> >cowbelt
>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to
>>>>>>>> build up
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> township.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I remember this. We were at Guwahati around that time. The
>>>>>>>> Dr. was in
>>>>>>>> B'lore, and some miscreants destroyed a big portion of his
>>>>>>>> hospital.
>>>>>>>> So, you claim some Hindiwalls or the like were behind this.
>>>>>>>> And this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> proves
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what, Uttam? That these Hindiwallas are out to get us?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no point in merely condemning the armed activity by
>>>>>>>>> a small
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> section of the Assamese. Being irrational, these activities
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> give you the opportunity to sneer at them. But that will
>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>> stoke the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> fire than to douse it: do not you suggest we adhere to
>>>>>>>>> 'non->violence'?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> got to feel the fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its
>>>>>>>> foundation
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> hinterland ( some people say colony within a >colony!)
>>>>>>>> economics.(
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> call
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it 'victim mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whether I empathize or not hardly matters, the 'Victim
>>>>>>>> mentality'
>>>>>>>> exists
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> quite well for that matter. In fact, this is a favorite tool
>>>>>>>> used by
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> armed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> rebellions all over the world, and maybe even countries.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --Ram da
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:42 PM, uttam borthakur
>>>>>>>> <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Ram Da,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me the
>>>>>>>>> events
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the
>>>>>>>>> future: that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of: -).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since I have to run this time, I just point out a few things
>>>>>>>>> for you
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> just ponder: -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal
>>>>>>>>> Bangladeshi
>>>>>>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart City
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the
>>>>>>>>> cowbelt
>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to
>>>>>>>>> build up
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> township. In Chandrapur area, the Oxomiya henchmen of the
>>>>>>>>> cowbelt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> houses are intimidating, killing, demolishing fences, etc.
>>>>>>>>> etc. in
>>>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> devour the land. Local resistance of villagers, who are
>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> organised in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the fear of losing homestead, are somewhat delaying the
>>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Political
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bigwigs , Ministersrunning Assam are in cahoots. Policemen are
>>>>>>>>> involved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> these are daily news. Recently, I went on a survey. I was
>>>>>>>>> aghast to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that annual periodic pattas are given to the settlers; they
>>>>>>>>> are now
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> given
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the marching orders after giving them some money and a back
>>>>>>>>> dated
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> agreement;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> on the basis of such agreement petty revenue for last fiver
>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> paid
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in the name of these political bigwigs, ministers,
>>>>>>>>> northerners,
>>>>>>>>> journalists etc. who have occupied huge chunks of beautiful
>>>>>>>>> forest,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hill
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lands with tremendous sight of the mighty Brahmaputra. If
>>>>>>>>> you pay 20
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> times
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> or so of the revenue you get a Myadi Patta. For the poor
>>>>>>>>> settlers it
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> huge amount; for the carpetbaggers it is pittance. ( My take
>>>>>>>>> on this
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> all colonial masters need local henchmen / dalals. The rich
>>>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cowbelt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> will always need their paid goons to carry out their dirty
>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'root
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> cause' is the money and greed of the masters: the principal
>>>>>>>>> aspect
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> contradiction:-))
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3. For various historical reasons, the processs of Assamese
>>>>>>>>> Nation
>>>>>>>>> formation (in the modern sense; I do not begin with
>>>>>>>>> Narakasura:-))
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> been very sturdy and this inherent weakness has led to knee-
>>>>>>>>> jerk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> reactions
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> weakening the process rather than bolstering it. There is no
>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> merely condemning the armed activity by a small section of the
>>>>>>>>> Assamese.
>>>>>>>>> Being irrational, these activities would surely give you the
>>>>>>>>> opportunity
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sneer at them. But that will rather stoke the fire than to
>>>>>>>>> douse it:
>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you suggest we adhere to 'non-violence'? You got to feel the
>>>>>>>>> fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its foundation in
>>>>>>>>> hinterland
>>>>>>>>> (
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> people say colony within a colony!) economics.( you call it
>>>>>>>>> 'victim
>>>>>>>>> mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's about it for now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>>>>>>>>
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