[Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with, IB tells Centre - Sentinel

kamal deka kjit.deka at gmail.com
Thu Jun 10 07:54:03 PDT 2010 

Outlandish remark does not constitute a proper rebuttal.Needs
elaboration to buttress one's reasoning.
KJD

On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow! This is just not brilliant--it is stellar reasoning.
> Philosophically, politically and oh so secularly :-)!
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:48 AM, kamal deka wrote:
>
>> Islam and secularism are just like incompatible blood groups.
>>
>> Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is
>> a complete, total, 100% system of life.
>>
>> Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military
>> components.
>> The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
>>
>> Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to
>> agitate for their religious privileges.
>>
>> When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies
>> agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the
>> other components tend to creep in as well..
>>
>> Here's how it works:
>>
>> As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any
>> given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a
>> peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens.
>> This is the case in:
>>
>> United States -- Muslim 0..6%
>> Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
>> Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
>> China -- Muslim 1.8%
>> Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
>> Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
>>
>> At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities
>> and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and
>> among street gangs.
>> This is happening in:
>>
>> Denmark -- Muslim 2%
>> Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
>> United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
>> Spain -- Muslim 4%
>> Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
>>
>> From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to
>> their percentage of the population.
>> For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by
>> Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for
>> Muslims.
>> They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on
>> their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply.
>> This is occurring in:
>>
>> France -- Muslim 8%
>> Philippines -- 5%
>> Sweden -- Muslim 5%
>> Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
>> The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
>> Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
>>
>> At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow
>> them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the
>> Islamic Law.
>> The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the
>> entire world.
>>
>> When Muslims approach 10% of the population,
>> they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their
>> conditions. In Paris ,
>> we are already seeing car-burnings.
>> Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats,
>> such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films
>> about Islam.
>> Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
>>
>>
>> Guyana -- Muslim 10%
>> India -- Muslim 13.4%
>> Israel -- Muslim 16%
>> Kenya -- Muslim 10%
>> Russia -- Muslim 15%
>>
>> After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad
>> militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian
>> churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
>>
>> Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
>>
>> At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror
>> attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
>>
>>
>> Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
>> Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
>> Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
>>
>> From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of nonbelievers of
>> all other religions (including nonconforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic
>> cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the
>> tax placed on infidels, such as in:
>>
>> Albania -- Muslim 70%
>> Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
>> Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
>> Sudan -- Muslim 70%
>>
>> After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run
>> ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out
>> the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim,
>> such as has been experienced and in some ways is ongoing in:
>>
>> Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
>> Egypt -- Muslim 90%
>> Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
>> Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
>> Iran -- Muslim 98%
>> Iraq -- Muslim 97%
>> Jordan -- Muslim 92%
>> Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
>> Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
>> Palestine -- Muslim 99%
>> Syria -- Muslim 90%
>> Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
>> Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
>> United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
>>
>> 100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of
>> Peace.
>> Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim,
>> the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such
>> as in:
>>
>> Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
>> Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
>> Somalia -- Muslim 100%
>> Yemen -- Muslim 100%
>>
>> KJD
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Jyotirmoy Sharma
>> <jyotirmoy.sharma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> God bless India and Indians if India, Pak and Bangladesh form a
>>> federation. I thought the countries split because we could no longer
>>> live together. Let's face the reality. We are better off as we are.
>>> India is a developing country and is marching ahead inspite of all
>>> it's problems. India is one of the most unique country in the world.
>>> When western countries preach about values like democracy, equality, I
>>> think .. would they ever allow someone from a religious minority group
>>> to occupy the most powerful post in the country? It hasn't yet taken
>>> place and I doubt it will. Netters can correct me. Even Barak Obama
>>> had to hide his middle name during the campaign, although he has
>>> converted to Chritianity.
>>>
>>> While Bangladesh, under the current regime ( and even Sri Lanka )
>>> seems to be taking a strong resolve to root out terrorism, Pakistan is
>>> a failed state. Under no circumstance would they( meaning Pak govt )
>>> give up the idea of Kashmir. Infact no one can form a govt in Pak
>>> without having Kashmir in its agenda( It's a truth which  most
>>> Pakistanis will acknowledge. It's a different matter that most
>>> educated  everyday Pakistani citizens wouldn't be too worried about
>>> what happening in Indian Kashmir ). That is precisely the problem with
>>> Pakistan. Rather than worrying about improving their own country ,
>>> their policies are India centric.
>>> Now I read of ISI's direct involvement in 26/11( David Headley's
>>> confession .. I am sure some netters will even negate the validity of
>>> such confession )
>>> How many more Kasabs, Afzal Gurus does India want? We keep extending a
>>> friendly hand and everytime there is a kick in our butt. No wonder,
>>> India is taken for a ride by all.
>>> JS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka
>>> <dilipdeka at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Netters,
>>>> Remember India, Bangladesh and Pakistan used to be one country  before
>>>> the artificial borders were drawn. These borders did not draw lines around
>>>> and change people's language, literature and culture overnight. So how can
>>>> you distinguish someone from Bangladesh in the middle of similar people in
>>>> India? Thus they are not detectable or deportable. Get used to it, I have
>>>> been saying it for years - migration across artificial borders will keep
>>>> happening, and you and I cannot do anything about it. Not even mighty :-)
>>>> GOI cn solve this problem.
>>>>
>>>> Only solution is a new federation of the three countries so that people
>>>> can freely move across the borders in the pursuit of livelihood and
>>>> business, in stead of pursuing religious or political ideology. I know it
>>>> sounds like  wishful thinking but it is possible if the social leaders put
>>>> their minds to it.
>>>>
>>>> What's your take on it?
>>>> Dilip
>>>> Houston
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
>>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
>>>> <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 9:17:15 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with, IB
>>>> tells Centre - Sentinel
>>>>
>>>> Those are very clever comments no doubt!
>>>>
>>>> What is not-so-clever, however, is the fact that the 'democratically
>>>> elected'
>>>> desi-govt/s. have neither been able to find or deport them. So what do
>>>> our
>>>> desi-demokrasy enthusiasts say about that? Is there a problem here with
>>>> desi-sorkar, one that the clever netters so glibly put their trust on,
>>>> or is it a
>>>> problem with Uttam or is it a problem with the glib ones here ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> KJD,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a little intrigued that there is quite possibly this notion out
>>>>> there
>>>>> that there are NO illegal B'deshis in Assam,
>>>>> and that all this is a political ploy of some kind. Though, I haven't
>>>>> met
>>>>> any illegal (or Undocumented - in PC speak) B'deshis, we keep reading
>>>>> and
>>>>> hearing about vast numbers of B'deshis coming into Assam/NE, and even
>>>>> as far
>>>>> as Delhi, W. Bengal etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> The previous BD PM categorically stated there are none, and one time
>>>>> the
>>>>> Assam Govt. was able to identify 6 or 7 B'deshis for deportation.
>>>>> Heck, and if sections of people also believe that there are none, I
>>>>> guess
>>>>> there are no illegal B'deshis in Assam.
>>>>>
>>>>> The other thing about North Indians grabbing land in Assam is something
>>>>> very
>>>>> new. I have never heard about this (not that it matters) and something
>>>>> even
>>>>> close to it. If these are 'criminal' acts, then it quite possibly
>>>>> pervasive
>>>>> in other parts of India, and just making inroads into Assam.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Ram
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:18 PM, kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I will
>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> make it point to meet one :-).<<<
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RS,
>>>>>> I am sure,there must be plenty of merry andrews in Assam as well as in
>>>>>> the Net.However,in terms of buffoonery,he or she will not be able to
>>>>>> match the one,who expects an illegal Bangladeshis to put on a ID tag
>>>>>> hanging around his neck with the purpose of divulging his nationality
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>> KJD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Uttam,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me the events
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the future: that
>>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>> of: -).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree there is value in viewing issues in this manner. However,
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> issues (like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or similar ones) there
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> absolutely no end. The time line can be shifted at will, and how one
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wishes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is why, it is often a good idea to compartmentalize issues. One
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> start at some base line.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal Bangladeshi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I will have
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> make it point to meet one :-).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, there is the other possibility, since you have met one, and I
>>>>>>
>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> either, then we can both be sure there aren't any illegal B'deshis in
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Assam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart City have
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the >cowbelt
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to build up
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> township.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I remember this. We were at Guwahati around that time. The Dr. was in
>>>>>>> B'lore, and some miscreants destroyed a big portion of his hospital.
>>>>>>> So, you claim some Hindiwalls or the like were behind this. And this
>>>>>>
>>>>>> proves
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what, Uttam? That these Hindiwallas are out to get us?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no point in merely condemning the armed activity by a small
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> section of the Assamese. Being irrational, these activities would
>>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> give you the opportunity to sneer at them. But that will rather
>>>>>>>> stoke the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> fire than to douse it: do not you suggest we adhere to
>>>>>>> >'non->violence'?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> got to feel the fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its foundation
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> hinterland ( some people say colony within a >colony!) economics.(
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> call
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it 'victim mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whether I empathize or not hardly matters, the 'Victim mentality'
>>>>>>> exists
>>>>>>
>>>>>> &
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> quite well for that matter. In fact, this is a favorite tool used by
>>>>>>
>>>>>> armed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rebellions all over the world, and maybe even countries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Ram da
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:42 PM, uttam borthakur
>>>>>>> <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Ram Da,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me the events
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the future: that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of: -).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since I have to run this time, I just point out a few things for you
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> just ponder: -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal Bangladeshi
>>>>>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart City have
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the cowbelt
>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to build up
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> township. In Chandrapur area, the Oxomiya henchmen of the cowbelt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> houses are intimidating, killing, demolishing fences, etc. etc. in
>>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> devour the land. Local resistance of villagers, who are getting
>>>>>>
>>>>>> organised in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the fear of losing homestead, are somewhat delaying the process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Political
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bigwigs , Ministersrunning Assam are in cahoots. Policemen are
>>>>>>>> involved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> these are daily news. Recently, I went on a survey. I was aghast to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that annual periodic pattas are given to the settlers; they are now
>>>>>>
>>>>>> given
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the marching orders after giving them some money and a back dated
>>>>>>
>>>>>> agreement;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> on the basis of such agreement petty revenue for last fiver years
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>
>>>>>> paid
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in the name of these political bigwigs, ministers, northerners,
>>>>>>>> journalists etc. who have occupied huge chunks of beautiful forest,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hill
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lands with tremendous sight of the mighty Brahmaputra. If you pay 20
>>>>>>
>>>>>> times
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> or so of the revenue you get a Myadi Patta. For the poor settlers it
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> huge amount; for the carpetbaggers it is pittance. ( My take on this
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> all colonial masters need local henchmen / dalals. The rich from the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cowbelt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> will always need their paid goons to carry out their dirty works.
>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'root
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cause' is the money and greed of the masters: the principal aspect
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> contradiction:-))
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. For various historical reasons, the processs of Assamese Nation
>>>>>>>> formation (in the modern sense; I do not begin with Narakasura:-))
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> been very sturdy and this inherent weakness has led to knee-jerk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> reactions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> weakening the process rather than bolstering it. There is no point
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> merely condemning the armed activity by a small section of the
>>>>>>>> Assamese.
>>>>>>>> Being irrational, these activities would surely give you the
>>>>>>>> opportunity
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sneer at them. But that will rather stoke the fire than to douse it:
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you suggest we adhere to 'non-violence'? You got to feel the
>>>>>>>> fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its foundation in hinterland
>>>>>>>> (
>>>>>>
>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> people say colony within a colony!) economics.( you call it 'victim
>>>>>>>> mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's about it for now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>>>>>>>
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