[Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with, IB tells Centre - Sentinel
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at gmail.com
Thu Jun 10 07:42:59 PDT 2010
Wow! This is just not brilliant--it is stellar reasoning.
Philosophically, politically and oh so secularly :-)!
On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:48 AM, kamal deka wrote:
> Islam and secularism are just like incompatible blood groups.
>
> Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is
> a complete, total, 100% system of life.
>
> Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military
> components.
> The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
>
> Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to
> agitate for their religious privileges.
>
> When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies
> agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the
> other components tend to creep in as well..
>
> Here's how it works:
>
> As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any
> given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a
> peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens.
> This is the case in:
>
> United States -- Muslim 0..6%
> Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
> Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
> China -- Muslim 1.8%
> Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
> Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
>
> At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities
> and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and
> among street gangs.
> This is happening in:
>
> Denmark -- Muslim 2%
> Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
> United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
> Spain -- Muslim 4%
> Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
>
> From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to
> their percentage of the population.
> For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by
> Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for
> Muslims.
> They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on
> their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply.
> This is occurring in:
>
> France -- Muslim 8%
> Philippines -- 5%
> Sweden -- Muslim 5%
> Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
> The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
> Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
>
> At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow
> them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the
> Islamic Law.
> The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the
> entire world.
>
> When Muslims approach 10% of the population,
> they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their
> conditions. In Paris ,
> we are already seeing car-burnings.
> Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and
> threats,
> such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films
> about Islam.
> Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
>
>
> Guyana -- Muslim 10%
> India -- Muslim 13.4%
> Israel -- Muslim 16%
> Kenya -- Muslim 10%
> Russia -- Muslim 15%
>
> After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad
> militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian
> churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
>
> Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
>
> At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror
> attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
>
>
> Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
> Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
> Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
>
> From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of nonbelievers of
> all other religions (including nonconforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic
> cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the
> tax placed on infidels, such as in:
>
> Albania -- Muslim 70%
> Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
> Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
> Sudan -- Muslim 70%
>
> After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run
> ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out
> the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim,
> such as has been experienced and in some ways is ongoing in:
>
> Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
> Egypt -- Muslim 90%
> Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
> Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
> Iran -- Muslim 98%
> Iraq -- Muslim 97%
> Jordan -- Muslim 92%
> Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
> Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
> Palestine -- Muslim 99%
> Syria -- Muslim 90%
> Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
> Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
> United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
>
> 100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House
> of Peace.
> Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim,
> the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word,
> such as in:
>
> Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
> Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
> Somalia -- Muslim 100%
> Yemen -- Muslim 100%
>
> KJD
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Jyotirmoy Sharma
> <jyotirmoy.sharma at gmail.com> wrote:
>> God bless India and Indians if India, Pak and Bangladesh form a
>> federation. I thought the countries split because we could no longer
>> live together. Let's face the reality. We are better off as we are.
>> India is a developing country and is marching ahead inspite of all
>> it's problems. India is one of the most unique country in the world.
>> When western countries preach about values like democracy,
>> equality, I
>> think .. would they ever allow someone from a religious minority
>> group
>> to occupy the most powerful post in the country? It hasn't yet taken
>> place and I doubt it will. Netters can correct me. Even Barak Obama
>> had to hide his middle name during the campaign, although he has
>> converted to Chritianity.
>>
>> While Bangladesh, under the current regime ( and even Sri Lanka )
>> seems to be taking a strong resolve to root out terrorism, Pakistan
>> is
>> a failed state. Under no circumstance would they( meaning Pak govt )
>> give up the idea of Kashmir. Infact no one can form a govt in Pak
>> without having Kashmir in its agenda( It's a truth which most
>> Pakistanis will acknowledge. It's a different matter that most
>> educated everyday Pakistani citizens wouldn't be too worried about
>> what happening in Indian Kashmir ). That is precisely the problem
>> with
>> Pakistan. Rather than worrying about improving their own country ,
>> their policies are India centric.
>> Now I read of ISI's direct involvement in 26/11( David Headley's
>> confession .. I am sure some netters will even negate the validity of
>> such confession )
>> How many more Kasabs, Afzal Gurus does India want? We keep
>> extending a
>> friendly hand and everytime there is a kick in our butt. No wonder,
>> India is taken for a ride by all.
>> JS
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka
>> <dilipdeka at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Netters,
>>> Remember India, Bangladesh and Pakistan used to be one country
>>> before the artificial borders were drawn. These borders did not
>>> draw lines around and change people's language, literature and
>>> culture overnight. So how can you distinguish someone from
>>> Bangladesh in the middle of similar people in India? Thus they are
>>> not detectable or deportable. Get used to it, I have been saying
>>> it for years - migration across artificial borders will keep
>>> happening, and you and I cannot do anything about it. Not even
>>> mighty :-) GOI cn solve this problem.
>>>
>>> Only solution is a new federation of the three countries so that
>>> people can freely move across the borders in the pursuit of
>>> livelihood and business, in stead of pursuing religious or
>>> political ideology. I know it sounds like wishful thinking but it
>>> is possible if the social leaders put their minds to it.
>>>
>>> What's your take on it?
>>> Dilip
>>> Houston
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>> world <assam at assamnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 9:17:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with,
>>> IB tells Centre - Sentinel
>>>
>>> Those are very clever comments no doubt!
>>>
>>> What is not-so-clever, however, is the fact that the
>>> 'democratically elected'
>>> desi-govt/s. have neither been able to find or deport them. So
>>> what do our
>>> desi-demokrasy enthusiasts say about that? Is there a problem here
>>> with
>>> desi-sorkar, one that the clever netters so glibly put their trust
>>> on, or is it a
>>> problem with Uttam or is it a problem with the glib ones here ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>
>>>> KJD,
>>>>
>>>> I am a little intrigued that there is quite possibly this notion
>>>> out there
>>>> that there are NO illegal B'deshis in Assam,
>>>> and that all this is a political ploy of some kind. Though, I
>>>> haven't met
>>>> any illegal (or Undocumented - in PC speak) B'deshis, we keep
>>>> reading and
>>>> hearing about vast numbers of B'deshis coming into Assam/NE, and
>>>> even as far
>>>> as Delhi, W. Bengal etc.
>>>>
>>>> The previous BD PM categorically stated there are none, and one
>>>> time the
>>>> Assam Govt. was able to identify 6 or 7 B'deshis for deportation.
>>>> Heck, and if sections of people also believe that there are none,
>>>> I guess
>>>> there are no illegal B'deshis in Assam.
>>>>
>>>> The other thing about North Indians grabbing land in Assam is
>>>> something very
>>>> new. I have never heard about this (not that it matters) and
>>>> something even
>>>> close to it. If these are 'criminal' acts, then it quite possibly
>>>> pervasive
>>>> in other parts of India, and just making inroads into Assam.
>>>>
>>>> --Ram
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:18 PM, kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I
>>>>>>>> will have to
>>>>> make it point to meet one :-).<<<
>>>>>
>>>>> RS,
>>>>> I am sure,there must be plenty of merry andrews in Assam as well
>>>>> as in
>>>>> the Net.However,in terms of buffoonery,he or she will not be
>>>>> able to
>>>>> match the one,who expects an illegal Bangladeshis to put on a ID
>>>>> tag
>>>>> hanging around his neck with the purpose of divulging his
>>>>> nationality
>>>>> :-)
>>>>> KJD
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com
>>>>> >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Uttam,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me the
>>>>>>> events are
>>>>> all
>>>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the future:
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> sort
>>>>>> of: -).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree there is value in viewing issues in this manner.
>>>>>> However, some
>>>>>> issues (like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or similar ones)
>>>>>> there is
>>>>>> absolutely no end. The time line can be shifted at will, and
>>>>>> how one
>>>>> wishes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is why, it is often a good idea to compartmentalize
>>>>>> issues. One has
>>>>> to
>>>>>> start at some base line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal Bangladeshi
>>>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I
>>>>>> will have to
>>>>>> make it point to meet one :-).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, there is the other possibility, since you have met one,
>>>>>> and I
>>>>> haven't
>>>>>> either, then we can both be sure there aren't any illegal
>>>>>> B'deshis in
>>>>> Assam.
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart City
>>>>>>> have been
>>>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the
>>>>>> >cowbelt want
>>>>> a
>>>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to
>>>>>> build up a
>>>>>> township.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember this. We were at Guwahati around that time. The Dr.
>>>>>> was in
>>>>>> B'lore, and some miscreants destroyed a big portion of his
>>>>>> hospital.
>>>>>> So, you claim some Hindiwalls or the like were behind this. And
>>>>>> this
>>>>> proves
>>>>>> what, Uttam? That these Hindiwallas are out to get us?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no point in merely condemning the armed activity by a
>>>>>>> small
>>>>>> section of the Assamese. Being irrational, these activities
>>>>>> would surely
>>>>>>> give you the opportunity to sneer at them. But that will
>>>>>>> rather stoke the
>>>>>> fire than to douse it: do not you suggest we adhere to >'non-
>>>>>> >violence'?
>>>>> You
>>>>>> got to feel the fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its
>>>>>> foundation in
>>>>>> hinterland ( some people say colony within a >colony!)
>>>>>> economics.( you
>>>>> call
>>>>>> it 'victim mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whether I empathize or not hardly matters, the 'Victim
>>>>>> mentality' exists
>>>>> &
>>>>>> quite well for that matter. In fact, this is a favorite tool
>>>>>> used by
>>>>> armed
>>>>>> rebellions all over the world, and maybe even countries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Ram da
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:42 PM, uttam borthakur
>>>>>> <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Ram Da,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me the
>>>>>>> events are
>>>>> all
>>>>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the
>>>>>>> future: that
>>>>> sort
>>>>>>> of: -).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since I have to run this time, I just point out a few things
>>>>>>> for you to
>>>>>>> just ponder: -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal Bangladeshi
>>>>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart City
>>>>>>> have been
>>>>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the
>>>>>>> cowbelt want
>>>>> a
>>>>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to
>>>>>>> build up a
>>>>>>> township. In Chandrapur area, the Oxomiya henchmen of the
>>>>>>> cowbelt
>>>>> business
>>>>>>> houses are intimidating, killing, demolishing fences, etc.
>>>>>>> etc. in order
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> devour the land. Local resistance of villagers, who are getting
>>>>> organised in
>>>>>>> the fear of losing homestead, are somewhat delaying the process.
>>>>> Political
>>>>>>> bigwigs , Ministersrunning Assam are in cahoots. Policemen are
>>>>>>> involved.
>>>>> All
>>>>>>> these are daily news. Recently, I went on a survey. I was
>>>>>>> aghast to
>>>>> learn
>>>>>>> that annual periodic pattas are given to the settlers; they
>>>>>>> are now
>>>>> given
>>>>>>> the marching orders after giving them some money and a back
>>>>>>> dated
>>>>> agreement;
>>>>>>> on the basis of such agreement petty revenue for last fiver
>>>>>>> years are
>>>>> paid
>>>>>>> in the name of these political bigwigs, ministers, northerners,
>>>>>>> journalists etc. who have occupied huge chunks of beautiful
>>>>>>> forest,
>>>>> hill
>>>>>>> lands with tremendous sight of the mighty Brahmaputra. If you
>>>>>>> pay 20
>>>>> times
>>>>>>> or so of the revenue you get a Myadi Patta. For the poor
>>>>>>> settlers it is
>>>>> a
>>>>>>> huge amount; for the carpetbaggers it is pittance. ( My take
>>>>>>> on this is
>>>>> :
>>>>>>> all colonial masters need local henchmen / dalals. The rich
>>>>>>> from the
>>>>> cowbelt
>>>>>>> will always need their paid goons to carry out their dirty
>>>>>>> works. But
>>>>> 'root
>>>>>>> cause' is the money and greed of the masters: the principal
>>>>>>> aspect of
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> contradiction:-))
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. For various historical reasons, the processs of Assamese
>>>>>>> Nation
>>>>>>> formation (in the modern sense; I do not begin with
>>>>>>> Narakasura:-)) has
>>>>> not
>>>>>>> been very sturdy and this inherent weakness has led to knee-jerk
>>>>> reactions
>>>>>>> weakening the process rather than bolstering it. There is no
>>>>>>> point in
>>>>>>> merely condemning the armed activity by a small section of the
>>>>>>> Assamese.
>>>>>>> Being irrational, these activities would surely give you the
>>>>>>> opportunity
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> sneer at them. But that will rather stoke the fire than to
>>>>>>> douse it: do
>>>>> not
>>>>>>> you suggest we adhere to 'non-violence'? You got to feel the
>>>>>>> fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its foundation in
>>>>>>> hinterland (
>>>>> some
>>>>>>> people say colony within a colony!) economics.( you call it
>>>>>>> 'victim
>>>>>>> mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's about it for now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>>>>>>
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