[Assam] Humanism, Drivels (sic) and The Evil of LookingforROOT-CAUSEs

Alpana B. Sarangapani absarangapani at hotmail.com
Fri Jun 18 07:15:09 PDT 2010 

"...drove you to make that conclusion?What am I missing?"

Will get back to you soon, C-da.
I have a 3 day weekend coming. :)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 03:27:41 
To: <absarangapani at hotmail.com>
Cc: <cmahanta at gmail.com>; <assam at assamnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Assam] Humanism,	Drivels (sic) and The Evil of Looking
 forROOT-CAUSEs

O' A:

Did you really expect me to have a counseling session with someone,
with whom I don't see eye to eye :-)?  I know you are fair and  
balanced and
un-biased. But I told you that is not me.  I am biased like a vulture
over a road-kill. I commiserate only with my own ilk.

I don't get charged, because Tilok owes me big time. How do you think  
he got
his visa to come to the USA? I was his sponsor. Sometimes he acts as  
though
he has grown too big for his pants. But that happens to the best of  
'em. I  don't
hold it against him. After all, he is a Jokai-sukiya! You know how the  
ol' fokora goes:
"Swre nere swr porkiti, kukure nere sai,  jar ji porkiti, morilew  
logote jai".

 >I just have one question. How come Tilok and you have the exact same  
view-points?

**** There you got me though. What  drove you to make that conclusion?
What am I missing?

c-da







On Jun 17, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:

> That was a good conversation between two like-minded people, C'da.  
> Good, you get to choose your doctor, but how did you include a Goru- 
> daaktor into your insurance's network for yourself?
>
> Hope your insurance will pay for it, unless Tilok offers this to you  
> for free - just to vent out some of his own and speculated ideas.
>
> I just have one question. How come Tilok and you have the exact same  
> view-points?
> :)
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> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:23:34
> To: <assam at assamnet.org>
> Subject: [Assam] Humanism,    Drivels (sic) and The Evil of Looking for
> ROOT-CAUSEs
>
> This  odhom's ( despicable one's) suggestion to Anurag Rudra, of
> giving one's human identity primacy
> over the many other identities a person might have,  as a means for
> sorting out the conflicts between them,
> caused a lot of vitriol to spill over in the pages of this forum in
> recent days, directed at this odhom's persona ?
>
> I attempted to understand the reason why, kind of looking for the  
> root-
> cause, in itself another EVIL to a few of
> our more vocal and self-assuredly fair-and-balanced fellow netters.
> Evil or not, I felt it is important to
> understand.  But it is a 'komplikated-kotha' ( complicated subject),
> too sophisticated for my little mind to gauge.
> So, I had to call on my ol' friend from Dokkhin Jokaisuk, Tilok
> Hatimuria, the Shrinkologist and Goru-Daktor,
> who practices large-animal head-shrinking in the High Ozarks. Since
> our forum does not allow a non-member
> like Tilok Daktor to post directly to assamnet, I am resorting to
> cutting and pasting the text of my counseling session
> with the good analyst below:
>
> CM ( That is me):  Tilok, why is it that your Kamal-kai ( that would
> be Kaml Jit Deka) so upset at my suggestion
> that  Anurag ought to  consider his human identity to be his first and
> foremost, just like I have and which serves
> me so well? And for that matter, why is Ram-kai his defender here, he
> being the one who sports the most fair and
> balanced ( and even tempered too) halo ?
>
> TD ( That is Tilok Daktor): So-kai, it is not hard to understand if
> you have a little empathy . Now, now--I know
> empathy is probably another EVIL  to both Kamal -kai ( KK) and Ram-kai
> ( RK), but between you and me, we can
> invoke it to analyze and understand.
>
> CM:  OK, I am cool. So what am I missing?
>
> TD: Two things:
> A: The preceding debate resulting from Dilip Deka's suggestion about a
> federal-like association amongst India
> and its enemies that you supported. It has a couple of  catches in it.
>
> B: As soon as you brought up your human ID, it caused problems. It is
> hard to disparage humanity. So, how do you
> devalue it?
>
> CM: Yeah, but what was so bad about DD's suggestion? I realize it is a
> long shot at best. But it has a potential to
> ease the illegal immigration problem from B-desh.  Neither KK nor RK
> offered  an single 'splanation as to why
> it is not good or bad. They just dwelled on the attempt to devalue the
> idea as  kind of a hare-brained one and
> attacked the messengers.
>
> TD: You are an old man So-kai, I thought  you would have learnt by now
> how to spot the sub-text in these
> charades.  I thought you have learnt to spot the subtly screened
> anxieties in these discourses. How could you
> miss the  fighting signals in DD's proposition?
>
> CM: What do you mean?  Sub-texts! What sub-texts ?
>
> TD: Oh, So-kai, you are sooo naive! How can India bury the hatchet
> with Pakistan, for one, for such co-operation
> to take place? It will mean having to make peace over Kashmir. What
> does that mean?
>
> CM: I don't know. Maybe India will have to agree to let Kashmir go, if
> not to Pakistan, at least to let it become independent
> or some such thing?
>
> TD: And---?
>
> CM: And what?
>
> TD: Sheesh! How do KK or RK view such an eventuality?  Don't you have
> any idea?
>
> CM: Ummm, well, I see what you are leading to.  You mean they won't
> take kindly to loss of that
> piece of real-estate?  But how does that matter to them? It is not
> THEIR poitrik-xompotti ( ancestral
> property). For crying out loud they are just Kharkhowas who don't even
> live in India any more. Why should
> they care?
>
> TD: I will let you sleep over that So-kai. I am not going to give you
> all the answers. You have to do some
> homework on your own. Don't expect me to spoon-feed you. I am busy.
> This is rut season and many of my
> patients are almost on the stampede.
>
> CM:  OK, OK! But what about  the other catch?
>
> TD: That would be the lungi-menace!  How would you like them crawling
> all around YOU?
>
> CM: Wait, you are using RK's rhetoric here. It sounds very
> unprofessional.
>
> TD: I say things to make a point, to shake your lazy head up to think
> on your own a little.
>
> CM: Hey, what is this? I didn't come here to be insulted like that.
>
> TD: Then do some thinking.
>
> CM: OK, what about the lungi menace?
>
> TD: Have you forgotten all the heartfelt outpourings of angst about
> them Muslims hordes, the adha-kota (circumcision)
>   anxieties, of being overrun, of  Assam being a part of Brihottor
> Bangladesh ( Greater B'Desh)?
>
> CM: No I have NOT! But DD's idea was aimed to EASE those fears  by way
> of lessening the immigration
> pressures.
>
> TD: Yeah, but why would they buy that idea? It is far better to stir
> the anxieties of being overrun, of all Khrakhowas in
> lungis and skull-caps and or women in Burkas. Close your eyes and look
> at the scene for a moment. And if that fear
> could be burnished in, who can they seek help from?
>
> CM: India?
>
> TD: Duuuh!  Is there a better way to scare those Kharkhowas who want
> independence out of their wits and
> give ULFA the ol' heave-ho?
>
> Why do you think they keep harping on the fear of them B'deshi hordes,
> while never suggesting a way to
> help stem the tide?
>
> CM: Oh, no! I never thought of that. I knew something was amiss, when
> they only say NO to everything.
> Didn't realize there may be some, what was the phrase you used? Sub-
> text, that's it, subtext like this to it.
>
> TD: Well!
>
> CM: I see what you mean. But what is the the problem about  humanism?
> What did I do wrong there?
>
> TD: That is another, but related matter. I have to go. My assistant is
> frantically texting me. Al's Alpaca
> apparently has eaten hay with loco-weed in it and is going bonkers.
> I'll explain that in the next session.
> Stay cool!
>
>
> **** That , my friends, was the synopsis of today's revelations. Stay
> tuned for the next.
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> On Jun 16, 2010, at 6:25 PM, kamal deka wrote:
>
>> RS,
>> I could not have said better than this.
>> All these drivels with respect to human/humanity/humanism are nothing
>> but hackneyed slogans.
>> All those viewpoints with respect to identity has come across to me  
>> as
>> phony and contrived.
>> Let me magnify on the point of " support".Unless one allows one's
>> intelligence to go to sleep,there should not be a problem of  
>> Himalayan
>> proportion to make out as to what I was relating to.
>> I am astonished,our distinguished netter has omitted the key
>> difference between ' psychiatry' and ' psycosocial'.
>> Well,mendacity of their reasoning knows no bounds.
>> KJD
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Ram Sarangapani
>> <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Now, it's my turn - it's the damn English language again :-)
>>>
>>> No one, KJD nor I have said that there was "SUPPORT" for either the
>>> Dhemaji
>>> killings or that of the Biharis.
>>>
>>> The discussion (I presume KJD) brought up was regarding "HUMANISM".
>>> If I
>>> understood it correct, KJD was questioning as to why the SAME
>>> HUMANISM now
>>> shown at the drop of a hat,  was totally absent when the Biharis  
>>> were
>>> killed.
>>>
>>> The incident was reported all over the place, and so now it seems
>>> there was
>>> indeed a deafening silence, from folks who are very vocal otherwise.
>>>
>>> It's not about "Support", it is the absence of showing the same
>>> level of
>>> 'humanism' in some instances, while not in others. That is why it is
>>> "Selective Humanism".
>>>
>>> It does seem there is a dichotomy here. On the one hand, some are
>>> desperate
>>> to severe Assam from India, but are gung ho about uniting the
>>> world, erase
>>> borders of feuding countries, hug the Pakistanis, and so on. But
>>> not so,
>>> when it comes to Assam/Delhi/ULFA.
>>>
>>>> What is KJD's primary ID or what is RS's?  Are they Americans  
>>>> first,
>>> Hindus,  Indians, Assamese. Muslim-hater :-), ---- what?
>>>
>>> Really, what does this mean? I don't support illegal B'deshis
>>> crawling all
>>> over the place into Assam. For that matter, I don't like illegal
>>> Greeks
>>> going to Assam or any other part of India. But, unfortunately,
>>> every time
>>> this issue is raised, we are cast as "Muslim -Haters" or lungi
>>> haters. That
>>> is really, really sad!
>>>
>>> But these are the tactics that one often has to resort to - assign
>>> labels,
>>> and hope they labels stick.
>>>
>>> --Ram
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:33 PM, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Did CM support killing of the Biharis or the blast in Dhemaji,
>>>> though it
>>>>> is quite apparent that he supports ULFA's cause?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **** If one is desperate enough to find some some reason to
>>>> devalue the
>>>> idea  that
>>>> one's humanity is the most important of identities, then it is
>>>> easy to jump
>>>> to such conclusions.
>>>> But it would be a mindless one. Imagine KJD or RS's support of all
>>>> things
>>>> Indian meaning they also
>>>> support the Indian army's atrocities over civilians.
>>>>
>>>> **** That also leads one to wonder if giving one's human identity
>>>> the
>>>> primacy is merely a ploy to look
>>>> good, then what could be better , more honest identities ? What is
>>>> KJD's
>>>> primary ID or what is RS's?  Are they
>>>> Americans first, Hindus,  Indians, Assamese. Muslim-hater :-),
>>>> ---- what?
>>>>
>>>> Why am I mixing up national identity with religious you might
>>>> ask?  For the
>>>> simple reason of KJD invoking
>>>> Erikson's ID confusion about being a Norwegian or a Jew.  How much
>>>> more
>>>> confused can one get?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   I do not support ULFA's cause, thus I do not have a dog in this
>>>> fight.
>>>>> Dilip, Houston TX
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>>> world <
>>>>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tue, June 15, 2010 9:11:11 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] 'I Am An Assamese, A Bengali And A S ylheti.
>>>>> What
>>>>> Exactly Am I?' Anurag Rudra'a write up appeared Tehelka
>>>>>
>>>>> KJD,
>>>>>
>>>>>   However,the same humanist failed to raise a whimper,when
>>>>>> ULFA-engineered massacre of poor Biharis took place in Assam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hehehe, that is what one would call 'selective humanism'.
>>>>>
>>>>> But it's OK, one has to give a lot of leeway for folks :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --Ram
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:39 PM, kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   are absolutely correct in saying, you are what
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you choose to be - ie. defining yourself.<<<
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RS,
>>>>>> All of a sudden,humanist of mega size seems to be appearing in
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> Net,who now lays the claim that his first identity is nothing
>>>>>> but a
>>>>>> human being.However,the same humanist failed to raise a
>>>>>> whimper,when
>>>>>> ULFA-engineered massacre of poor Biharis took place in Assam.For
>>>>>> him,it seems,everything pales into insignificance,when it comes
>>>>>> to the
>>>>>> question of ULFA.Is he trying to give his falsehood the gloss of
>>>>>> moral
>>>>>> sanction now? He can no longer fool people with his veneer of
>>>>>> gentility!!!
>>>>>> All this is a mystery to me,really.
>>>>>> KJD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great assessment,  Mohan. You are absolutely correct in saying,
>>>>>>> you are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> what
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you choose to be - ie. defining yourself. The write-up by
>>>>>>> Anurag is
>>>>>>> well-written & from the heart, and most netters will be able to
>>>>>>> relate
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> something or the other in what he wrote.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But to more important questions: How did you grow bhaat kerela
>>>>>>> & ou
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> tenga?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think we have seen either of these in this area :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best of luck to Anurag, and hope to see more of his writings in
>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Ram
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Mohan Palleti  
>>>>>>> <mpalleti at aol.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Anurag:
>>>>>>>> This is beautifully written article. I liked the honest
>>>>>>>> expression
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> your feelings.
>>>>>>>> I being a half telugu and a half assamese by birth, I could
>>>>>>>> relate very
>>>>>>>> well with you. I lived in Assam as a young child and moved to
>>>>>>>> Hyderabad
>>>>>>>> therafter. I had asked the same question to myself. What am I?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The answer is very simple. You are what you choose to be. And
>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>> process you do not have to forget where you came from. You set
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> trend
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the coming generations and you blend into a culture you choose
>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We lived in Hyderabad since 1973, And yet our house was a
>>>>>>>> waterhole for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lot of Assamese folks who visited Hyderabad. My mother passed
>>>>>>> away a few
>>>>>>>> months ago. She was like a moher to a lot of young assamese
>>>>>>>> folks who
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and work in Hyderabad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Although I have been living in the US for over a decade and
>>>>>>>> speak 4
>>>>>>>> different languages at home. I grow dhekia xaak, bhat kerela,
>>>>>>>> ou tenga
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in my
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> garden and have loads of Khorisa  in my referigerator. It wont
>>>>>>> be hard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you to guess what I consider myself to be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hope you get to read this email.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>> Mohan Palleti
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com <lt%3Bcmahanta at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>> lt%3Bcmahanta at gmail.com <lt%253Bcmahanta at gmail.com>> <
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lt%3Bcmahanta at gmail.com <lt%253Bcmahanta at gmail.com> <
>>>>>> lt%253Bcmahanta at gmail.com <lt%25253Bcmahanta at gmail.com>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around
>>>>>>> the world
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> &
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lt;assam at assamnet.org <lt%3Bassam at assamnet.org> <
>>>>>>>> lt%3Bassam at assamnet.org <lt%253Bassam at assamnet.org>> <
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lt%3Bassam at assamnet.org <lt%253Bassam at assamnet.org> <
>>>>>> lt%253Bassam at assamnet.org <lt%25253Bassam at assamnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Sent: Tue, Jun 15, 2010 9:53 am
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] 'I Am An Assamese, A Bengali And A S
>>>>>>>> ylheti. What
>>>>>>>> Exactly Am I?' Anurag Rudra'a write up appeared Tehelka
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is a believable, poignant story, Sushanta. Thanks for
>>>>>>>> sharing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The indignities that young Anurag had to endure, hopefully,
>>>>>>>> were not in
>>>>>>>> vain and his account,
>>>>>>>> hopefully would help turn things for the better.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many of us in this forum have worn different shoes. And we too
>>>>>>>> wore the
>>>>>>>> ones that
>>>>>>>> Anurag had worn,at times of being a minority, foreign, alien
>>>>>>>> etc. and
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> times of a dominant
>>>>>>>> group wearing the halo of being an indigenous. It has helped
>>>>>>>> us become
>>>>>>>> fuller, better people.
>>>>>>>> That said, I do realize that those of us in the US or other
>>>>>>>> counties
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rule of law have not, would not
>>>>>>>> ( except as rare exceptions) have to undergo some of the more
>>>>>>>> blatant
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> overt acts
>>>>>>>> of discrimination, bullying or even physical assaults that
>>>>>>>> someone in
>>>>>>>> Anurag's shoes might have.
>>>>>>>> That is where the rule-of-law plays a critical role, one that
>>>>>>>> is absent
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indian governance, not
>>>>>>>> just Assam's, part of the dysfunctional state of desi-
>>>>>>>> demokrasy as I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> call
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree with MM's advice: To be positive and ASSERTIVE. He has
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> confused about his many identities, much less be apologetic.
>>>>>>>> Long ago,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> learned
>>>>>>>> to choose my first and foremost identity to be the human one.
>>>>>>>> My many
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> identities
>>>>>>>> fall into place, without conflict and without apologies!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pass this on to Anurag, if you can. I wish him all the best.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> c-da
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Sushanta Kar wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Dear
>>>>>>>> > Friends,
>>>>>>>> > You will find this write up something interesting. Anurag
>>>>>>>> is a B.A
>>>>>>>> > student
>>>>>>>> > of Cotton College. By this time he has earned a well
>>>>>>>> reputation as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > poet in
>>>>>>>> > English. Here he has raised a few question on the
>>>>>>>> identity crisis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > sylhetis of the state:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.tehelka.com/story_main45.asp?filename=hub190610personalhistories.asp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Sushanta Kar
>>>>>>>> >_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> > assam mailing list
>>>>>>>> > assam at assamnet.org
>>>>>>>> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>>>>>
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