[Assam] poem and news : The true story about encounters with Maoist in West Bengal

[Chan Mahanta]

> Yes, there are problems, specially in a country like India, and it  
> takes
> time, and a nation and her people often needs to mature.


*** So the unsaid implication therefore is that, until such time as  
India's
demokrasy matures, those who are exploited, those who are not  
beneficiaries of
the fake-democracy that rules India, ought to shut up, take their  
lumps or go away
some place else.

Of course all the good Indians  are very sympathetic of their plight,  
and never fail
to express their regrets over it. After all they are normal people  
with humanistic
ideals, not just the selectively humanistic ones.

Yeah sure they tell you that you live only one life. But that is an un- 
Indian concept.
They can definitely bank on the certainty that they would  be better  
off in their next
  incarnation.

In the mean-time, why don't the all these good hearted, democracy  
loving Indians
not raise their voices in fixing the broken Indian system?

Oh but that would be fuel for justifying those who are intent on  
destroying India
with their commie designs. Who needs that?









On Jun 25, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

> Uttam,
>
>> Could anyone use/ incite Rameswars if they were otherwise  
>> comfortable?
>> Could you hatch chicken from stones?
>
> The argument could have been valid, IF Rameshwar's life was  
> improved. Not if
> if the actions of these 'saviours' (Naxals or for that matter ULFA)  
> makes
> the situation worse, and in many cases causing death/injury to the  
> very
> people they purport to be saving. With friends like these Naxals or  
> ULFA
> (for the Rameshwars of the world), who needs enemies?
>
>> Second, why do you have to think that Naxals and Maoists would be  
>> like
> Indira, the dictator?
>
> Right!. IG was elected, and then became a dictator (at least during  
> the
> emergency), and these groups, use violence as a means to achieving  
> their
> Communist agenda.
>
> But, I was wrong, actually the Communists would be worse than  
> Indira. IG
> gave up her PM seat after she lost the election. There was at least  
> a hint
> of democracy in her. She could have just stated she wasn't giving up  
> the
> throne, and most people who matter in India would have been singing  
> praises
> and writing poems.
>
> And you think, once the Naxals get a hold of power, they are going  
> to give
> up that easily. They get their power thru violence, and what makes  
> you think
> they would NOT use violence again to hold on to it? This is the same
> argument that goes against the likes of ULFA.
>
>> The Chinese Communists have become good capitalists, even lending  
>> the US
> money albeit to make the bubble burst?
>
> Don't know where this fits in? BUT Lending money to the US - yes,  
> through
> USD holdings. The US has been giving the Chinese MFN (Most Favored  
> Nation)
> status to export goods/services for a long time. The US market is  
> flooded
> with Chinese made goods. The MFN is one of the most coveted awards  
> the US
> dishes out. That alone, it can be argued, can catapult a country  
> like China
> into prominence and an economic power - and today, they are EVEN in a
> position to help the US.
>
>> The Maoist Prachanda (who raged a armed rebellion) has given up on  
>> arms
> even to let others rule
>> even when his is the single largest party, in conformity with  
>> democratic
> norms, not usually followed by our BJPs/ Congresses.
>
> I don't know this person. But what on earth is a Maoist doing  
> following
> Democratic norms? So, from this example, we ought to just let let  
> violence
> these groups perpetrate go unabated - hoping (against hope) that  
> they all
> give up arms, let others rule, and even follow democracy?
>
> C'mon Uttam... does this really make sense? :-)
>
>> Pray, why this prejudice, the knee-jerk reaction? The days of iron/ 
>> bamboo
> curtains are quite over.
>
> Not really. Look at some history. Through numerous trials and  
> errors, the
> world has generally accepted democracy as a true and tested form of
> governance. There are a few different forms of democracy (the  
> British and US
> systems differ, and so does Japan), but in general, most countries  
> follow a
> system close as possible to democracy.
> Yes, there are problems, specially in a country like India, and it  
> takes
> time, and a nation and her people often needs to mature. India's  
> experience
> with democracy is only 60 odd years - compared to the Brits and the  
> US.
>
> As far as those other systems go - those have been successful, only  
> if one
> thinks that the people in China, Vietnam and Cuba are a free people  
> with
> independent thought and action? Otherwise, they are total failures.
> As for these ultra groups, their goals, methods, and promises, the  
> less
> said, the better.
>
> If any of the other isms you cite were that good, the world over  
> people
> would have been embracing them. Those systems can be enforced only  
> by force.
> Do we want that?
>
>> The Naxals/ Maoists may turn out to be good democrats, who knows?  
>> Else they
> will lose the fight,
>> due to lack of people's support; if they are wrong PC does not even  
>> have to
> raise a finger. They will
>> crumble due to their own foibles that you so clearly find in them.
>
> I don't where we are headed?
>
> Naxals/Maoists are perpetrating all this violence, so that they can
> establish a good Democracy? You are kidding, right?
>
> Why don't they just become 'democrats' to start with :-)
>
> --Ram da
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:49 AM, UTTAM BORTHAKUR <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in
>> wrote:
>
>> Ram Da,
>>
>> Could anyone use/ incite Rameswars if they were otherwise  
>> comfortable?
>> Could you hatch chicken from stones?
>>
>> Second, why do you have to think that Naxals and Maoists would be  
>> like
>> Indira, the dictator?
>> The Chinese Communists have become good capitalists, even lending  
>> the US
>> money albeit to
>> make the bubble burst?
>> The Euro communists are not demonic the way you paint the communists.
>> Our CPM is quite docile; even supports the UPA.
>> The Maoist Prachanda (who raged a armed rebellion) has given up on  
>> arms
>> even
>> to let others rule
>> even when his is the single largest party, in conformity with  
>> democratic
>> norms,
>> not usually followed by our BJPs/ Congresses.
>> Pray, why this prejudice, the knee-jerk reaction? The days of iron/ 
>> bamboo
>> curtains are quite over.
>> The Naxals/ Maoists may turn out to be good democrats, who knows?  
>> Else they
>> will lose the fight,
>> due to lack of people's support; if they are wrong PC does not even  
>> have to
>> raise a finger. They will
>> crumble due to their own foibles that you so clearly find in them.
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