[Assam] poem and news : The true story about encounters with Maoist in West Bengal

[Ram Sarangapani]

Oh C'da,


>*** So the unsaid implication therefore is that, until such time as India's
demokrasy matures, those who are exploited, those who are not >beneficiaries
of the fake-democracy that rules India, ought to shut up, take their lumps
or go away some place else.

Why is this a difficult concept - some people in Assam have been waiting
more than 30 years for the ULFA to deliver something, anything, anything at
all. I guess, it will to be like 'Waiting for Godot' :-) :-).

BUT this is not about unsaid implications or reading between the lines.

If the lot of the Indian masses, their governance,etc need improvement, then
don't you agree that creating havoc,
bombing rail communications, killing people, and putting innocent in harm's
way does not add any benefit to the same masses that these terror groups say
they are protecting?

What is this? Just because India has many people who are being exploited, we
should route for these Naxals and ULFA types who actually make the situation
worse. I just don't get the logic here.

Now, if there are groups out there, who, in spite of all these problems that
India faces, makes a positive, incremental change for the exploited, all
kuods to them. In fact, there are many such groups in India who are
currently improving the lives of everyday people.

>Of course all the good Indians  are very sympathetic of their plight,
...............

Some are, while others are not. That really ought not to be the litmus test
here.

There are some realities - ultra groups, in their very essence exist because
they use violence as a means to an end. And quite often, the brunt of their
actions is borne by the very people they claim to protect, and release them
from some tyrannical government.

A very good example, really stares at us. The ULFA, for the last 30 odd
years has set the state back many decades, and without one iota of benefit.
Thousands of people have been killed (whether by ULFA or by the Indian
forces). And all this for what?
If the Ulfa or any of the other ultra groups NEVER started this in the first
place, these things would have never happened.

The same thing with these Commies. Communists can never take over India.
Indians have already tasted democracy, and they are not going to give that
up easily.
Its a big joke, even the so called Communists in states like West Bengal and
Kerala swear by democratic principles.

Heck, even Marxist-Lenninists swear by democratic principles these days.
Their ultimate goal is to a have a 'Leftist Umah" in India. (you heard it
here first - where Umah means "world'). They try to rise up in the ranks
through violence, and then want to embrace democratic ideals.

>In the mean-time, why don't the all these good hearted, democracy loving
Indians not raise their voices in fixing the broken Indian system?

>Oh but that would be fuel for justifying those who are intent on destroying
India with their commie designs. Who needs that?

They do, you just hear them (or want to hear them):-)

In reality though, however bad & broken the system in India is, it is still
far better than what the Commies and the ultra groups promise the masses.  I
think, even the leaders are of these groups are well aware of this, but just
want to keep the myth afloat, so they can dupe a section of another
generation of Indians.

--Ram






On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, there are problems, specially in a country like India, and it takes
>> time, and a nation and her people often needs to mature.
>>
>
>
> *** So the unsaid implication therefore is that, until such time as India's
> demokrasy matures, those who are exploited, those who are not beneficiaries
> of
> the fake-democracy that rules India, ought to shut up, take their lumps or
> go away
> some place else.
>
> Of course all the good Indians  are very sympathetic of their plight, and
> never fail
> to express their regrets over it. After all they are normal people with
> humanistic
> ideals, not just the selectively humanistic ones.
>
> Yeah sure they tell you that you live only one life. But that is an
> un-Indian concept.
> They can definitely bank on the certainty that they would  be better off in
> their next
>  incarnation.
>
> In the mean-time, why don't the all these good hearted, democracy loving
> Indians
> not raise their voices in fixing the broken Indian system?
>
> Oh but that would be fuel for justifying those who are intent on destroying
> India
> with their commie designs. Who needs that?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>
>  Uttam,
>>
>>  Could anyone use/ incite Rameswars if they were otherwise comfortable?
>>> Could you hatch chicken from stones?
>>>
>>
>> The argument could have been valid, IF Rameshwar's life was improved. Not
>> if
>> if the actions of these 'saviours' (Naxals or for that matter ULFA) makes
>> the situation worse, and in many cases causing death/injury to the very
>> people they purport to be saving. With friends like these Naxals or ULFA
>> (for the Rameshwars of the world), who needs enemies?
>>
>>  Second, why do you have to think that Naxals and Maoists would be like
>>>
>> Indira, the dictator?
>>
>> Right!. IG was elected, and then became a dictator (at least during the
>> emergency), and these groups, use violence as a means to achieving their
>> Communist agenda.
>>
>> But, I was wrong, actually the Communists would be worse than Indira. IG
>> gave up her PM seat after she lost the election. There was at least a hint
>> of democracy in her. She could have just stated she wasn't giving up the
>> throne, and most people who matter in India would have been singing
>> praises
>> and writing poems.
>>
>> And you think, once the Naxals get a hold of power, they are going to give
>> up that easily. They get their power thru violence, and what makes you
>> think
>> they would NOT use violence again to hold on to it? This is the same
>> argument that goes against the likes of ULFA.
>>
>>  The Chinese Communists have become good capitalists, even lending the US
>>>
>> money albeit to make the bubble burst?
>>
>> Don't know where this fits in? BUT Lending money to the US - yes, through
>> USD holdings. The US has been giving the Chinese MFN (Most Favored Nation)
>> status to export goods/services for a long time. The US market is flooded
>> with Chinese made goods. The MFN is one of the most coveted awards the US
>> dishes out. That alone, it can be argued, can catapult a country like
>> China
>> into prominence and an economic power - and today, they are EVEN in a
>> position to help the US.
>>
>>  The Maoist Prachanda (who raged a armed rebellion) has given up on arms
>>>
>> even to let others rule
>>
>>> even when his is the single largest party, in conformity with democratic
>>>
>> norms, not usually followed by our BJPs/ Congresses.
>>
>> I don't know this person. But what on earth is a Maoist doing following
>> Democratic norms? So, from this example, we ought to just let let violence
>> these groups perpetrate go unabated - hoping (against hope) that they all
>> give up arms, let others rule, and even follow democracy?
>>
>> C'mon Uttam... does this really make sense? :-)
>>
>>  Pray, why this prejudice, the knee-jerk reaction? The days of iron/bamboo
>>>
>> curtains are quite over.
>>
>> Not really. Look at some history. Through numerous trials and errors, the
>> world has generally accepted democracy as a true and tested form of
>> governance. There are a few different forms of democracy (the British and
>> US
>> systems differ, and so does Japan), but in general, most countries follow
>> a
>> system close as possible to democracy.
>> Yes, there are problems, specially in a country like India, and it takes
>> time, and a nation and her people often needs to mature. India's
>> experience
>> with democracy is only 60 odd years - compared to the Brits and the US.
>>
>> As far as those other systems go - those have been successful, only if one
>> thinks that the people in China, Vietnam and Cuba are a free people with
>> independent thought and action? Otherwise, they are total failures.
>> As for these ultra groups, their goals, methods, and promises, the less
>> said, the better.
>>
>> If any of the other isms you cite were that good, the world over people
>> would have been embracing them. Those systems can be enforced only by
>> force.
>> Do we want that?
>>
>>  The Naxals/ Maoists may turn out to be good democrats, who knows? Else
>>> they
>>>
>> will lose the fight,
>>
>>> due to lack of people's support; if they are wrong PC does not even have
>>> to
>>>
>> raise a finger. They will
>>
>>> crumble due to their own foibles that you so clearly find in them.
>>>
>>
>> I don't where we are headed?
>>
>> Naxals/Maoists are perpetrating all this violence, so that they can
>> establish a good Democracy? You are kidding, right?
>>
>> Why don't they just become 'democrats' to start with :-)
>>
>> --Ram da
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:49 AM, UTTAM BORTHAKUR <
>> uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>  Ram Da,
>>>
>>> Could anyone use/ incite Rameswars if they were otherwise comfortable?
>>> Could you hatch chicken from stones?
>>>
>>> Second, why do you have to think that Naxals and Maoists would be like
>>> Indira, the dictator?
>>> The Chinese Communists have become good capitalists, even lending the US
>>> money albeit to
>>> make the bubble burst?
>>> The Euro communists are not demonic the way you paint the communists.
>>> Our CPM is quite docile; even supports the UPA.
>>> The Maoist Prachanda (who raged a armed rebellion) has given up on arms
>>> even
>>> to let others rule
>>> even when his is the single largest party, in conformity with democratic
>>> norms,
>>> not usually followed by our BJPs/ Congresses.
>>> Pray, why this prejudice, the knee-jerk reaction? The days of iron/bamboo
>>> curtains are quite over.
>>> The Naxals/ Maoists may turn out to be good democrats, who knows? Else
>>> they
>>> will lose the fight,
>>> due to lack of people's support; if they are wrong PC does not even have
>>> to
>>> raise a finger. They will
>>> crumble due to their own foibles that you so clearly find in them.
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