[Assam] poem and news : The true story about encounters withMaoist in West Bengal

[Chan Mahanta]

On Jun 25, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:

> ".....Yeah sure they tell you that you live only one life. But that  
> is an un-Indian concept.They can definitely bank on the certainty  
> that they would  be better off in their next  incarnation."
>
> All murderers and terrorists must be banking on that line of  
> reasoning too, or else they won't go on killing innocent people.
>
>



**** Not just that. There could be many others. But that does not, in  
any way'
shape or form, dismiss the implication in the subject we are  
discussing, does it?








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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:22:14
> To: <assam at assamnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Assam] poem and news : The true story about encounters  
> with
> 	Maoist in West Bengal
>
>> Yes, there are problems, specially in a country like India, and it
>> takes
>> time, and a nation and her people often needs to mature.
>
>
> *** So the unsaid implication therefore is that, until such time as
> India's
> demokrasy matures, those who are exploited, those who are not
> beneficiaries of
> the fake-democracy that rules India, ought to shut up, take their
> lumps or go away
> some place else.
>
> Of course all the good Indians  are very sympathetic of their plight,
> and never fail
> to express their regrets over it. After all they are normal people
> with humanistic
> ideals, not just the selectively humanistic ones.
>
> Yeah sure they tell you that you live only one life. But that is an  
> un-
> Indian concept.
> They can definitely bank on the certainty that they would  be better
> off in their next
>   incarnation.
>
> In the mean-time, why don't the all these good hearted, democracy
> loving Indians
> not raise their voices in fixing the broken Indian system?
>
> Oh but that would be fuel for justifying those who are intent on
> destroying India
> with their commie designs. Who needs that?
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> On Jun 25, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>
>> Uttam,
>>
>>> Could anyone use/ incite Rameswars if they were otherwise
>>> comfortable?
>>> Could you hatch chicken from stones?
>>
>> The argument could have been valid, IF Rameshwar's life was
>> improved. Not if
>> if the actions of these 'saviours' (Naxals or for that matter ULFA)
>> makes
>> the situation worse, and in many cases causing death/injury to the
>> very
>> people they purport to be saving. With friends like these Naxals or
>> ULFA
>> (for the Rameshwars of the world), who needs enemies?
>>
>>> Second, why do you have to think that Naxals and Maoists would be
>>> like
>> Indira, the dictator?
>>
>> Right!. IG was elected, and then became a dictator (at least during
>> the
>> emergency), and these groups, use violence as a means to achieving
>> their
>> Communist agenda.
>>
>> But, I was wrong, actually the Communists would be worse than
>> Indira. IG
>> gave up her PM seat after she lost the election. There was at least
>> a hint
>> of democracy in her. She could have just stated she wasn't giving up
>> the
>> throne, and most people who matter in India would have been singing
>> praises
>> and writing poems.
>>
>> And you think, once the Naxals get a hold of power, they are going
>> to give
>> up that easily. They get their power thru violence, and what makes
>> you think
>> they would NOT use violence again to hold on to it? This is the same
>> argument that goes against the likes of ULFA.
>>
>>> The Chinese Communists have become good capitalists, even lending
>>> the US
>> money albeit to make the bubble burst?
>>
>> Don't know where this fits in? BUT Lending money to the US - yes,
>> through
>> USD holdings. The US has been giving the Chinese MFN (Most Favored
>> Nation)
>> status to export goods/services for a long time. The US market is
>> flooded
>> with Chinese made goods. The MFN is one of the most coveted awards
>> the US
>> dishes out. That alone, it can be argued, can catapult a country
>> like China
>> into prominence and an economic power - and today, they are EVEN in a
>> position to help the US.
>>
>>> The Maoist Prachanda (who raged a armed rebellion) has given up on
>>> arms
>> even to let others rule
>>> even when his is the single largest party, in conformity with
>>> democratic
>> norms, not usually followed by our BJPs/ Congresses.
>>
>> I don't know this person. But what on earth is a Maoist doing
>> following
>> Democratic norms? So, from this example, we ought to just let let
>> violence
>> these groups perpetrate go unabated - hoping (against hope) that
>> they all
>> give up arms, let others rule, and even follow democracy?
>>
>> C'mon Uttam... does this really make sense? :-)
>>
>>> Pray, why this prejudice, the knee-jerk reaction? The days of iron/
>>> bamboo
>> curtains are quite over.
>>
>> Not really. Look at some history. Through numerous trials and
>> errors, the
>> world has generally accepted democracy as a true and tested form of
>> governance. There are a few different forms of democracy (the
>> British and US
>> systems differ, and so does Japan), but in general, most countries
>> follow a
>> system close as possible to democracy.
>> Yes, there are problems, specially in a country like India, and it
>> takes
>> time, and a nation and her people often needs to mature. India's
>> experience
>> with democracy is only 60 odd years - compared to the Brits and the
>> US.
>>
>> As far as those other systems go - those have been successful, only
>> if one
>> thinks that the people in China, Vietnam and Cuba are a free people
>> with
>> independent thought and action? Otherwise, they are total failures.
>> As for these ultra groups, their goals, methods, and promises, the
>> less
>> said, the better.
>>
>> If any of the other isms you cite were that good, the world over
>> people
>> would have been embracing them. Those systems can be enforced only
>> by force.
>> Do we want that?
>>
>>> The Naxals/ Maoists may turn out to be good democrats, who knows?
>>> Else they
>> will lose the fight,
>>> due to lack of people's support; if they are wrong PC does not even
>>> have to
>> raise a finger. They will
>>> crumble due to their own foibles that you so clearly find in them.
>>
>> I don't where we are headed?
>>
>> Naxals/Maoists are perpetrating all this violence, so that they can
>> establish a good Democracy? You are kidding, right?
>>
>> Why don't they just become 'democrats' to start with :-)
>>
>> --Ram da
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:49 AM, UTTAM BORTHAKUR <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ram Da,
>>>
>>> Could anyone use/ incite Rameswars if they were otherwise
>>> comfortable?
>>> Could you hatch chicken from stones?
>>>
>>> Second, why do you have to think that Naxals and Maoists would be
>>> like
>>> Indira, the dictator?
>>> The Chinese Communists have become good capitalists, even lending
>>> the US
>>> money albeit to
>>> make the bubble burst?
>>> The Euro communists are not demonic the way you paint the  
>>> communists.
>>> Our CPM is quite docile; even supports the UPA.
>>> The Maoist Prachanda (who raged a armed rebellion) has given up on
>>> arms
>>> even
>>> to let others rule
>>> even when his is the single largest party, in conformity with
>>> democratic
>>> norms,
>>> not usually followed by our BJPs/ Congresses.
>>> Pray, why this prejudice, the knee-jerk reaction? The days of iron/
>>> bamboo
>>> curtains are quite over.
>>> The Naxals/ Maoists may turn out to be good democrats, who knows?
>>> Else they
>>> will lose the fight,
>>> due to lack of people's support; if they are wrong PC does not even
>>> have to
>>> raise a finger. They will
>>> crumble due to their own foibles that you so clearly find in them.
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