[Assam] Assam's terror victims demand justice

Tue Jun 29 19:38:08 PDT 2010

 >No argument there. Collateral damage is the phrase to justify the  
terrible loss caused to any victim. The subject matter of this topic  
was >about demanding justice by the families. Nowhere it is said that  
some other victims should not get justice.

*** Except it was NOT mentioned anywhere by the seekers of justice.  
They only demanded  justice for purported victims of ULFA. Did I miss  
something? But  it never is too late to make it clear and stand on the  
side of what is right and what is honorable.

*** No-one that I can remember reading here, attempted to justify  
anything on account of collateral damage. But it does happen in  
warfare. So those who cause it and those who embark on it, ought to  
know and do accordingly.

 >Provided the victims were not killed by the so called saviors of  
Assam.

*** But those who had the authority and the responsibility not only  
were derelict in their duties, but actively acted to incite the  
insurgency,
resulting in the loss of so many lives of the people of Assam. Should  
they not be held accountable? Are they not culpable?

 >Like I said, to bring peace to your own home, do you need outsiders'  
help?

On Jun 29, 2010, at 5:42 PM, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:

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> terrible loss caused to any victim. The subject matter of this topic  
> was about demanding justice by the families. Nowhere it is said that  
> some other victims should not get justice.
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>>> Asking them to look at the bigger picture just would not be the
>>> fairest thing. I won't force them to do that.
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>> **** That is one's choice. But it has a price. They could also appear
>> hypocritical.
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> Provided the victims were not killed by the so called saviors of  
> Assam. Like I said, to bring peace to your own home, do you need
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>> From: cmahanta at gmail.com
>> To: assam at assamnet.org
>> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 17:14:04 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Assam] Assam's terror victims demand justice
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>> On Jun 29, 2010, at 4:59 PM, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:
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>>>> *** if everyone played by those 'modern rules' or even by the old
>>>> ones
>>>> THEN on the books, the insurgencies
>>>> could never have materialized. They happened, because the powers  
>>>> that
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>>> That would be like saying - "they started it!" and letting the
>>> killers go. To these families it DOES NOT matter, who started. In
>>> fact, in most cases, the victims did not even start it, they were
>>> just there at the wrong place at the wrong time.
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>> **** In a just and civilized court of law WHO started it, or caused
>> it, does play a part in deciding the SHARE of GUILT.
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>>>> *** That is called selective retribution, not justice for all.
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>>> To the immediate families of the victims, that would be lectures
>>> from the book.
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>> **** Let us not forget that there are those , like the families of  
>> the
>> insurgents killed and maimed for life , who
>> also cry out for justice. And the 'mohaan' who sees only ONE side as
>> victims are hardly 'mohaan'.
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>>> They will have to be extra-ordinarily 'mohaan' to not to ask for
>>> justice, even if they have forgiven the perpetrators, it still would
>>> not be right to not ask for a trial.
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>> **** That is why *I* say that the cry for justice is understandable.
>> But victims of BOTH sides ought
>> to be included in such pursuit of justice.
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>>> Asking them to look at the bigger picture just would not be the
>>> fairest thing. I won't force them to do that.
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>> **** That is one's choice. But it has a price. They could also appear
>> hypocritical.
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>>> The killers need to be held responsible and tried in the court of  
>>> law.
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>> **** Just like THOSE whose acts of commission and omission were
>> responsible for bringing on the insurgencies.
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>> **** Finally, let us also not forget what such one sided retribution
>> in the name of justice will do: It will
>> leave those embers of resentment and revenge burning, only to erupt
>> again at some opportune time.
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>>>> From: cmahanta at gmail.com
>>>> To: assam at assamnet.org
>>>> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:32:17 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] Assam's terror victims demand justice
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>>>>> I admire them for following the rules of the modern society by
>>>> asking for justice and NOT an eye for an eye.
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>>>> *** if everyone played by those 'modern rules' or even by the old
>>>> ones
>>>> THEN on the books, the insurgencies
>>>> could never have materialized. They happened, because the powers  
>>>> that
>>>> be did not care about the 'rules' and the
>>>> their self-proclaimed constitutional bounds or duties.
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>>>>> Can't we at least support them for seeking justice instead of
>>>>> comparing and bringing examples of this and that?
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>>>> *** That is called selective retribution, not justice for all.
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>>>> On Jun 29, 2010, at 2:12 PM, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:
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>>>>> Sometimes I wonder, there are so many insurgetn groups now, would
>>>>> the peace talk wit one group really bring peace back to Assam?
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>>>>> Did ULFA open the flood-gate for all kinds of insurgents in Assam?
>>>>> Do you need to talk with "outsiders" to bring peace into your own
>>>>> home?
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>>>>> I agree with the families that lost their loved ones.
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>>>>> Only the victims' families know and have to bear the effects of  
>>>>> the
>>>>> fancy/sophisticated/political words like "collatoral damage" and
>>>>> this and that. Those responsible for their losses must go through
>>>>> the trials by the justice system, talk or no talk.
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>>>>> All they are asking is justice, not revenge. They already paid the
>>>>> most expensive and unbearable price for it.
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>>>>> I admire them for following the rules of the modern society by
>>>>> asking for justice and NOT an eye for an eye.
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>>>>> Can't we at least support them for seeking justice instead of
>>>>> comparing and bringing examples of this and that?
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