[Assam] Armed Revolution is an Outdated Concept
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at gmail.com
Sun May 23 06:54:49 PDT 2010
Ram:
I will not get into this issue-creep!
If you have something to defend Kamath's article, go ahead. I will
chime in. But let us stay to
the points of THAT issue.
c-da
On May 23, 2010, at 4:05 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
> Hola C'da from the land of Sangria,
>
>> You must be enjoying too much of the vacation paradise libations,
>> or at
> least enjoying the >sun a bit more than you should be
> hehehehhe - is all I can say for the moment :-)
>
> What is meant as "outdated" is simply that these ' *armed*
> *revolutions*'
> are archaic methods to fight for a cause. In all practicality, in
> today's
> world, none of these armed struggles can achieve their goals - be it
> Thailand, Russia in Assam or Naxals. The most these groups can do is
> to
> cause unrest in localized areas, and getting many innocent people
> killed.
>
> That seriously leads me to believe that these struggles may have
> been based
> on some social neglect, but have been lead by "intellectuals" who
> have their
> own agenda of sorts.
>
> For example, what is the Communist Party -Marxist-Lennist doing in
> India at
> this day and age? It is certainly some grand political agenda of some
> diehard Commies leading some people to slaughter ..... and mind you
> ALL this
> taking full advantage of a democratic India basic ideals.
> Are these Commies promising a "better India" than the present India?
> Why
> didn't they just fight for causes without the Maoist label? Maybe
> you know
> the answer?
>
> Would they be able to do the same in China or Russia, or Cuba, or
> Venezueala? Would they tolerate these upstarts for a moment. Many
> on this
> net cry foul of "State Repression".
> Huh! - can they even yelp about state reprisals in China or Russia
> or Cuba?
> That is why these commies and anti govt. types take full advantage
> of a
> country like India which does not seem to have the will or the
> ability to
> control the mushrooming of these armed hoods running around.
>
> All these groups whether they are Maoists or ulfa or whatever are not
> revolutionists, struggles or something lofty. They are simply
> groups of
> people led by "deep thinking leaders" whose main agenda is either
> political,
> or power, or simply making a great living. Many of these
> "intellectuals"
> just hate India, want to destablize it, and all the while making
> promises of
> a "sonor Asom" or a "chicken on every plate".
>
> Even when we were students, there would be a few students carrying
> some
> little red book (some manifesto) in a bag hung from their shoulder,
> sporting
> a beard, wear glasses, and trying to look really intelligent. They
> were
> wrong and passe then, as they are now.
>
> Many of us remember, in Calcutta (during the Naxals trouble) - small
> groups
> of young Naxals would approach some unfortunate traffic cop, and
> kill him,
> or would board a bus or tram and kill a few passengers who looked
> like a
> bourgeois. And that was the affect of their big "struggle". The
> downtrowdden in West Bengal are still the have nots (after 30-40
> years of
> Commuinist Govt).
>
> In summation, these so called struggles are only benefitting the
> leaders and
> really nothing else. The ULFA has been doing this for 30 + years
> with only a
> lot of dead people along the way, the Maoists & Naxals for much
> longer, and
> their leaders too have gotten fat on the struggles of their hapless
> cadres. For once, lets call a spade a spade.
>
> --Ram
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> O' Ram:
>>
>> You must be enjoying too much of the vacation paradise libations,
>> or at
>> least enjoying the sun
>> a bit more than you should be. Why else would you be a fan of this
>> piece
>> of unmitigated trash?
>>
>> That brings me to YOUR pithy proclamations:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> I must agree that "Armed Revolution is an Outdated Concept".
>>>
>>
>> **** Meaning of outdated is something obsolete, not currently
>> in
>> vogue, passe', out-of-fashion .
>> The comment therefore would indicated that it was, in some
>> past
>> times fashionable, in-vogue
>> etc.
>>
>> **** I have serious doubts about the reasoning abilities of
>> people
>> who think or believe
>> that other people take to arms against a vastly superior
>> force do so
>> because it is ROMANTIC, or
>> fashionable, or some such mindless reason. Do YOU? Is it this
>> damned English language again :-)?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I would like to add, that it is STILL valid for folks living in an
>>> early
>>
>>>> 18th/19th Century mindset.
>>>
>>
>>
>> **** Why do you think so? Are you suggesting that better
>> options
>> exist today that did not
>> then and thus it is an unnecessary tactic? If you do believe
>> that
>> India DOES provide those
>> means of problem solving, why do you think there are sooo
>> many armed
>> conflicts there?
>>
>> Is it because there are way too many people who the Indian
>> state has
>> been unable to educate,
>> leaving them behind in the stone age, leading them to nurture
>> death-wishes as romantic
>> ideals and indulging in armed rebellions to be fashionable like
>> Bollywood fans?
>>
>> If it is, does it not demolish the premise of the argument to
>> begin
>> with?
>>
>>
>>
>> Many of these "revolutionaries" cite examples of China, old USSR,
>> or may be
>>> some other country, and yet little do they realize, that as far as
>>> State-revolutionaries conflicts are concerned, India is the only
>>> country
>>> where these armed hoods can get away - and I mean get away with blue
>>> murder,
>>> looting, kidnapping and whatever else.
>>>
>>
>>
>> **** And what about those in power who have the force of arms,
>> political power
>> privileges of cast and creed with which THEY can get away with
>> murder, literally
>> while slowly sucking the the life out of these unfashionable,
>> uneducated, romantic
>> revolutionaries, under the protection and approval of the
>> machinery
>> of state?
>>
>> Where is the liberal democratic state with the rule of law
>> that you
>> allude to, to prevent
>> their misdeeds, the corruption, the tyranny, the corporate
>> looting
>> and the like?
>>
>>
>>
>> Pick any other country, the USA, China, Russia, even Cuba - these
>> armed
>>> revolutions would have been quelled down with drastic, immediate
>>> force,
>>> and
>>> NO one would be complaining.
>>>
>>
>>
>> **** Oh these complainers, pseudo intellectual bleeding
>> hearts and
>> the like!
>> You ought to have corrected Kamath--he just wants to QUESTION
>> Arundhati. They should
>> lock them up and throw away the keys at the very least. I am
>> sure
>> there are more
>> permanent ways to deal with them. Maybe you all should get ex-
>> AGP
>> PCMahanta
>> to consult on that, he might have shared his tactics.
>>
>>
>>
>> India, is just too damn soft, and democracy has been hijacked by
>> these
>>> "intellectuals" leading these armed hoods to suit their own
>>> purposes.
>>>
>>
>> *** Hmmm! So the 'armed hoods' are the lemmings, led by them
>> 'intellectual thugs'?
>>
>>
>> Think for a second Ram, just because you are capable of throwing
>> around a
>> few phrases
>> and cliches, but are unable to see or unwilling to acknowledge the
>> fallacies in your arguments,
>> it only presents yourself in a poor light!
>>
>> c-da
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 22, 2010, at 12:42 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>
>> It is too early in the AM in this part of the world, or I am just
>> too damn
>>> dumb, but I must agree that "Armed Revolution is an Outdated
>>> Concept".
>>>
>>> I would like to add, that it is STILL valid for folks living in an
>>> early
>>> 18th/19th Century mindset. While there are a million things wrong
>>> with
>>> India, these gun-totting yahoos running amok don't add one iota of
>>> well-being to any one - the country, their supporters, their
>>> state. The
>>> only
>>> exception is for their own self-interest.
>>>
>>> Many of these "revolutionaries" cite examples of China, old USSR,
>>> or may
>>> be
>>> some other country, and yet little do they realize, that as far as
>>> State-revolutionaries conflicts are concerned, India is the only
>>> country
>>> where these armed hoods can get away - and I mean get away with blue
>>> murder,
>>> looting, kidnapping and whatever else.
>>>
>>> Pick any other country, the USA, China, Russia, even Cuba - these
>>> armed
>>> revolutions would have been quelled down with drastic, immediate
>>> force,
>>> and
>>> NO one would be complaining.
>>>
>>> India, is just too damn soft, and democracy has been hijacked by
>>> these
>>> "intellectuals" leading these armed hoods to suit their own
>>> purposes.
>>>
>>> More later. Got to run for now.
>>>
>>> --Ram
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 5:32 AM, UTTAM BORTHAKUR <
>>> uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Armed revolts are stated to be outdated; the statement is not new.
>>>> But, what we find is it continues to this modern day.
>>>> Kamath trying to shoo a nagging bee away with his wishy-washy.
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