[Air-L] Antw: Re: Inclusion of short links in academic publications?

Tue Jul 26 21:40:32 PDT 2011

I'm talking more about newspaper articles, eg.

I've archived the following newspaper article using webcitation:
Herald Sun. (2007, December 11). Anger at drug taking, arrests and
overdoses at rave. Reported by G. McArthur. Archived at
http://www.webcitation.org/5w2LaSZs7

So I'm never using shortened URLs to 'remove information' or on their
own. Rather I'm adding additional information and providing a stable
link to the archived source. However, if webcitation is not around in
10 years, people can still use traditional search techniques with news
databases to locate the article.

I wouldn't do this with references to websites where the web address
is the only information available about the source.

Any opinions on this sort of use?

Monica

On 26 July 2011 23:47, Jodi Schneider <jschneider at pobox.com> wrote:
> Please, do not use shortened links in academic publications: this removes so
> much valuable information.
> To help your reader, provide an online copy of your bibliography (and track
> clicks from there if you must) -- both of the Web and non-Web materials.
>
> AOIR should speak out loudly *against* so-called "citation formats" such as
> MLA's which do not require a URL for native web formats.
> When dealing with shortened URLs that have broken -- or if you want to
> contribute to the archiving effort, check the Archive Team's project on
> shortened URLs:
> http://urlte.am
> -Jodi
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Johann Hoechtl
> <Johann.Hoechtl at donau-uni.ac.at> wrote:
>>
>> Ironically, the link doesn't work for me - Time out.
>>
>> Albeit the idea is appealing! I still think it's a good idea to work with
>> short links for ease of readability and facilitate manual entry of web
>> addresses in a browser. A corresponding short - to - longlist in the
>> appendix of the paper should be enough for a wayback machine.
>>
>> A short-url service specifically for acedemic research would also be a
>> great starter for collaborative url collection, but I am digressing ...
>>
>> Johann
>>
>> >>> Monica Barratt <tronica at gmail.com> schrieb am 26.07.2011 um 14:09 in
>> >>> Nachricht
>> <CAF9Ekp1j_i6853QXnixKN3A6upFO1z63+caW0Sc24aZr0Q75Yg at mail.gmail.com>:
>> > Does anyone have an opinion on using webcitation as an archiving
>> > service?
>> > http://www.webcitation.org/faq
>> >
>> > They seem to be made for this kind of work. I was considering using
>> > them in my thesis reference list and was thinking about including the
>> > short URL only, but can see now that maybe that's not the best idea.
>> > However, webcitation claim they won't 'disappear' down the track. I
>> > guess that's been said before!
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Monica
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 26 July 2011 13:33, Denise N. Rall <denrall at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> Dear Johan  -
>> >>
>> >> At my uni, they move the papers into a digital repository called
>> >> bpress.
>> > There are digital repositories on the market as well.
>> >>
>> >> Each paper included contains the last draft the researcher submitted
>> >> for
>> > publication which avoids copyright tangles (apparently). Other works
>> > included
>> > on the page are cleared for copyright by our library staff.
>> >>
>> >> bpress generates its own statistics on how many times each reference
>> >> (paper
>> > or thesis, etc.) has been accessed. So one always knows how many times
>> > the
>> > paper has been accessed. So do the administrators.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers, Denise
>> >>
>> >> Dr Denise N. Rall, Research Assistant, School of Health & Human
>> >> Sciences
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- On Sat, 23/7/11, Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011 at reagle.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> From: Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011 at reagle.org>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Antw: Re: Inclusion of short links in academic
>> > publications?
>> >>> To: "Johann Hoechtl" <Johann.Hoechtl at donau-uni.ac.at>
>> >>> Cc: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
>> >>> Received: Saturday, 23 July, 2011, 1:03 AM
>> >>> On Friday, July 22, 2011, Johann
>> >>> Hoechtl wrote:
>> >>> > If you are the one who created the shortlinks, it's
>> >>> likely that you have the ability to track how many times it
>> >>> was clicked (if you register at the shortening service)
>> >>>
>> >>> OK, understood.
>> >>>
>> >>> > * If you happen to publish a paper in a (closed)
>> >>> journal you are able to interpolate a figure how often your
>> >>> submission was read (if there is a statistical figure how
>> >>> many paper readers actually follow references, footnotes or
>> >>> plain internet links). Did the reviewers took a deep look
>> >>> into your references? From that you can derive a, admittedly
>> >>> problematic, cost-value ratio of the journal.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ah, I was thinking the primary thing I'd want to know was
>> >>> how many people read my paper but that's not something I'd
>> >>> have access to. But I can see your interpolation point
>> >>> though I'd be cognizant that (again) there are many services
>> >>> out there.
>> >>>
>> >>> As to other reasons (usefulness of my sources, and
>> >>> countries and such), those haven't been too compelling to
>> >>> me, and I'll note that this might steal page rank link juice
>> >>> -- since references to things will now have multiples URLs.
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