[Assam] Enemies of India are enemies of Assam

[Chan Mahanta]

Hi Manoj:

What did you find unsavory ? Obviously I don' see it. A shot-gun 
blast characterization means little more than a general displeasure 
but without an ability to point them out. I hope you know what 
bothers you, and will be able to point them out.

Also, what do you mean  by 'personalized' ? Himen-da made some 
assertions. He either stands by them and explains them, or disavows 
them. I cannot get away IMPLYING something  or insinuating something 
, unless I can explain them, can I? Would YOU not hold me 
accountable? Surely Himen-da seeks accountability, doesn't he? I 
don't consider it 'personalized'. All I seek is a CLARIFICATION of 
where he stands. Is it UNFAIR or UNREASONABLE?

c-da













At 9:45 PM +0530 3/8/06, Manoj Das wrote:
>Hello C'da
>
>Don't you think these arguments are getting too unsavoury and personalised?
>
>mkd
>
>On 3/8/06, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>>  Hi Himen-da:
>>
>>  >It is now obvious that people who do not take any responsibility
>>  >about what they say are spreading "politically >motivated
>>  >views"  which are dangerous for Assam's survival.
>>
>>
>>  *** You continue to stump me with your"--not take any responsibility
>>  " invocation. You can CLARIFY it with just a few words, but you
>>  choose not to, keeping us guessing about what the dire consequences
>>  Assam will be facing in the event it becomes independent.
>>
>>  I do have a fairly active imagination, but even I cannot see what you
>>  see. You disavowed what Mukul dada speculated on--a Hindu massacre of
>>  the 'lungi-menace'.
>>
>>  Since you won't tell us what you can see but we don't, would you like
>>  me to speculate? I know you get heart-burn over that too, something I
>>  wouldn't like to  do to to my elders, if I can help it.
>>
>>  So, one more request--pleeeeease, pretty please, enlighten us, would you
>>  :-)?
>>  And while you are at it, don't forget to explain Gandhi's utter lack
>>  of responsibility, as could be surmised from your theory, in seeking
>>  India's
>>  independence.
>>
>>  >Enemies of India are enemies of Assam.
>>
>>  *** If it is TRUE, can the reverse of it be true as well? That
>>  enemies of Assam are enemies of India? I will await your answer to
>>  follow up with another question on that.
>>
>>
>>  >However, the "politically motivated views" of these enemies are
>>  >caught when they write phrases like "Civilian invasion >by India"
>>  >"Poor Bangladeshi "immigrants" looking for job" --
>>
>>
>>  ***  So you would like for us to AVOID humanizing them 'illegals' ,
>>  the 'lungi-menace' by attemting to understand WHY they continue to
>>  come into Assam and the NE region? But do you not know that it is an
>>  old trick of despots and bigots to use language to rob those they
>>  hate of their humanity, thus making it palatable to  cause atrocity
>>  over them, to perpetrate ethnic-cleansing, to send them to
>>  gas-chambers? Is that what your study of Hindu epics, your
>>  Vedic-ethics taught you Himen-da?
>>
>>  I am no Hindu, and know nothing of Vedic-virtues, but an ordinary
>>  human response tells me that even illegal-B-deshi-Muslims have a
>>  human face. That they too have a right to live. I realize it is a
>>  problem for Assam, for the NE, taking away their land.  BUT what is
>>  YOUR solution? I mean other than to demonize them with labels, with
>>  words?  WHY does not INDIA with the constitutional authority and
>>  responsibility and controls over the resources NOT do anything about
>>  protecting the borders?
>>
>>  Now if you recite your old excuse of 'them Congresswallas' and their
>>  vote-banking needs as the CAUSE, you will fool none of us who can
>>  think and look at issues critically. To us they are ALL Indians.
>>  Congressis, BJPs, RSS's AGPwallas--you name them! They all feed from
>>  the same trough, stocked by Delhi! And they are beholden to the same
>>  forces that feed them.
>  >
>>  And your new alibi of India's 'weakness' does not change the picture
>>  either. Yes, India is a pathetically WEAK state. Anyone who has any
>>  knowledge of rudimentary political science knows that. But that is
>>  another reason why Assam does not want to REMAIN under a
>>  dysfunctional, fractured, directionless behemoth of a forced union,
>>  held together by brute force that is India. Assam needs to become
>>  free of them desi-shackles to fashion its OWN ENLIGHTENED, MODERN,
>>  TRULY DEMOCRATIC state, incorporating the best the world has devised
>>  so far!
>>
>>  You Himen-da, as a thoughtful and able well-wisher of Assam owe it to
>>  Assam to support its ambition of remaking itself from the shambles of
>>  a dysfunctional desi-colony, instead of attempting to keep it under
>>  India, merely because of your fear of losing your Hinduttwa to the
>>  lungi-menace! Life is a whole lot more than your 'jaat', or so one
>>  would hope.
>>
>>  Best,
>>
>>  c
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>>  Best,
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>>  c
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>>  At 12:38 PM -0500 3/7/06, Himendra Thakur wrote:
>>  >Dear Chandan,
>>  >
>>  >You are right to say One thing that jumps out is the preponderance
>>  >of certain politically motivated views and assertions that keep
>>  >appearing, even after being thoroughly debunked, refuted or
>>  >discredited.
>>  >
>>  >It is now obvious that people who do not take any responsibility
>>  >about what they say are spreading "politically motivated
>>  >views"  which are dangerous for Assam's survival.
>>  >
>>  >A strong, secure and united India is the geo-political guarantee of
>>  >the survival of Assam, which is India.
>>  >
>>  >Enemies of India are enemies of Assam. However, the "politically
>>  >motivated views" of these enemies are caught when they write phrases
>>  >like "Civilian invasion by India" "Poor Bangladeshi "immigrants"
>>  >looking for job" --- these are obviously biased & motivated opinions
>>  >for the benefit of Bangladesh, which have been thoroughly debunked,
>>  >refuted or discredited many times. .
>>  >
>>  >In the assam-net, even the Enemies of Assam should have their
>>  >freedom of expression, but I am sure that the netters will be able
>>  >to see the thinly covered political motivations of these
>>  >irresponsible writers.
>>  >
>>  >With the best,
>>  >Himendra
>>  >
>>  >----- Original Message -----
>>  >From: <mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>Chan Mahanta
>>  >To: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur ;
>>  ><mailto:jkk2020 at aim.com>jkk2020 at aim.com ;
>>  ><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>>  >Cc: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>hthakur at comcast.net ;
>>  ><mailto:umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu>umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ;
>>  ><mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua
>>  >Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:13 AM
>>  >Subject: Re: [Assam] Strong, secure, united INDIA
>>  >
>>  >Hi Himen-da,
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >Have time for comment only one point for now, even though many more
>>  >deserve a response :-):
>>  >
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>>  >
>>  >
>>  >>
>>  >The atmosphere in assam-net has become very tense. Is this is a
>>  >symptom of our internal despondency because we are in the verge of
>>  >losing our beloved land?
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >*** If it is so, it is a result of the subject-matter being dealt
>>  >with in the posts that we have seen. One thing that jumps out is the
>>  >preponderance of certain politically motivated views and assertions
>>  >that keep appearing, even after being thoroughly debunked, refuted
>>  >or discredited. That is a sure-fire recipe to draw strident
>>  >responses.
>>  >
>>  >c
>>
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