[Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa study on college science success

Sat Jul 28 08:47:20 PDT 2007

Excellent Ram'da 

C'da ,  let us know if you need any further statistics
.

However,  for the following question, I guess you are
in a better position to answer

 C: HOW these "successful" products of an
> 'excellent' Indian education
> > system have contributed to India's well being?

You being a successfull product (that is if you
consider yourself to be successful) of Indian
education system (your fundamentals were in Namoti,
DonBosco, IIT if I am not wrong) .... what have you
contributed to India's (or Assam's) well being.  By
your own admission earlier, you do not even have the
time (or will ??) to contribute to your alma mater in
Namoti.

As a matter of fact,  to see how these
Engineers/Scientists/Educationists/Leaders are
contributing to India just see India's GDP as well as
the current trend of reverse Brain Drain.  Yes there
are still problem areas (where not??) but India,
irrespective of what you say or do, is making good
progress.  

--- Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote:

> C'da
> 
> Being a non-engineer, and susori-musori pass kora
> individual, I may not be
> qualified to comment in this high-flying math/engg.
> debate - but
> nevertheless, I will try... you know, "fools rush in
> where angels...."
> 
> One, is it is generally recognized that Indian
> graduating from Indian
> schools are good in math/science. Not because they
> boast about it, but
> because they just are. There are extremely bright
> people there.
> Most of the people who have been a big success in
> this and other countries
> have had their "fundas" from India, and most
> Assamese from the Engg.
> colleges in Assam, and education in cotton or GU or
> DU.
> 
> Second, you charge that because you don't see
> contributions from these
> people in India, then obviously these graduates are
> Not creative etc.
> 
> It is possible that even though these Indians may be
> creative and
> intelligent, but may NOT be willing or are not able
> to contribute to
> societies they came from. Maybe, they came to the
> USA to make more money
> (read better opportunities).
> While, I do not think there is anything wrong with
> that, let us realize
> that  there are many many people in India who are
> just as capabale or better
> than immigrants to the US and who have contributed
> to Indian's growth and
> development.
> 
> Third, if these people were not creative in India,
> how is it that these very
> same people with the basic fundamentals from India
> have suddenly become
> creative here? Did they suddenly sprout wings?
> 
> Lastly, (and I may the loner here) - Math & science
> are great, but let us
> not put down other branches. There are many world
> leaders
> (Kennedy/Gandhi/Nehru etc) who have come from
> non-science, non-tech
> backgrounds, but have been instrumental in
> development and broad visions for
> their countrues.
> 
> If it wasn't for Nehru, many today would NOT have
> gone to the IITs. Yes,
> those same IITs that have enabled many to build
> careers in the US and in
> India. Yes, those same IITs that have built the very
> foundations that they
> so easily rubbish today.
> 
> If it wasn't for JFK, man may not have gone to the
> moon. A country needs
> visionaries, just like it needs bright people from
> every other branch.
> 
> More later
> 
> --Ram
> 
> On 7/28/07, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > >By this logic, with so many successful Indian
> > Engineers and Scientists in US and other countries
> the
> > primary math foundation laid by Indian School
> system
> > must be excellent.
> >
> >
> > *** Can you cite some statistics, or even educated
> guesses on how "
> > many successful Indian
> > Engineers and Scientists in US and other
> countries" are there, and
> > what percentage is that of :
> >
> > A: Total number of scientists and engineers
> produced by India?
> >
> > B: Total number of people of the demographics of
> which these are a
> > segment and how the rest are doing ?
> >
> >
> > C: HOW these "successful" products of an
> 'excellent' Indian education
> > system have contributed to India's well being?
> >
> > D: How the rest of the 'excellent' Indian
> education system have
> > contributed to India's well being?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 6:36 AM -0700 7/28/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty
> wrote:
> > >  >>Can you cite India's contributions to it?
> > >
> > >
> > >Yes ---- Chandan Mahanta :)
> > >
> > >
> > >>>>>   If your primary math
> > >foundation is weak, you will never get to do
> intensive
> > >math at high
> > >school, forget science and engineering.
> > >
> > >By this logic, with so many successful Indian
> > >Engineers and Scientists in US and other
> countries the
> > >primary math foundation laid by Indian School
> system
> > >must be excellent.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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